Originally Posted by Bucco

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In addition, as I understand it, since Obamas legislation to take away the secret ballot in union votes failed, "the NLRB leadership has imposed new requirements that employers supply union organizers with the names and home addresses of every employee. Nor do employees have a right to decline to have this personal information given out to union organizers, under NLRB rules."

I am posting two links, one from

RealClearPolitics - A Cynical Process and the other..

"http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/rtd-opinion/2012/may/02/tdopin01-wrong-on-right-to-work-ar-1883388/

BOTH oppose this new regulation and cite how the "new" NLRB has top flight chances to kill job growth,

My question and it is a serious question...

WHY DOES A LABOR UNION NEED NAMES AND HOME ADDRESSES FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE AND DENY THE RIGHT OF THE EMPLOYER TO PROTECT THEIR EMPLOYEES VIOLATION OF PRIVACY ?

bucco - i cruised thru the nlrb website and could not find any information to support the allegations as you posted them or as described in the articles you provided.

the closest i came to even finding a reference to home addresses is as follows: "current: The final voter list available to all parties contains only names and home addresses, which does not permit all parties to utilize modern technology to communicate with voters.
proposed: Phone numbers and email addresses (when available) would be included on the final voter list."
Proposed amendments to NLRB election rules and regulations fact sheet | NLRB

it appears that home addys are already provided in the representation process.

if you can come up with a specific rule change, i'd be happy to read it and comment.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

bucco - i cruised thru the nlrb website and could not find any information to support the allegations as you posted them or as described in the articles you provided.

the closest i came to even finding a reference to home addresses is as follows: "current: The final voter list available to all parties contains only names and home addresses, which does not permit all parties to utilize modern technology to communicate with voters.
proposed: Phone numbers and email addresses (when available) would be included on the final voter list."
Proposed amendments to NLRB election rules and regulations fact sheet | NLRB

it appears that home addys are already provided in the representation process.

if you can come up with a specific rule change, i'd be happy to read it and comment.

Then I have been misinformed and you need to write to Thomas Sowell directly

I just read it with my daily read and found it interesting....if it is wrong then we should really and honestly write to him on it.

THIS from US News and World Report...

"Few federal agencies have worked as hard to disrupt the economic recovery as the National Labor Relations Board, a five-member body created in 1934 to oversee union representation elections and to investigate and propose remedies where unfair labor practices are found to exist.

""We keep our eye on the prize," Pearce said in January while promising, as supporters of Enzi's effort have put it, to force employers to make confidential employee information—including phone numbers and E-mail addresses—available to union organizers. This, of course, would expose them to harassment, intimidation, and potentially worse."

Obama's Renegade NLRB Is Disrupting the Recovery - Peter Roff (usnews.com)

Originally Posted by buggyone

Richie, my misunderstood pal, employees of the Federal government have several unions they can choose to represent them. There is the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), National Federation of Federal Employees (NFFE), National Association of Government Employees (NAGE) and several more. HR offices have a person who is a specialist in labor relations to deal with the unions.

Unions in government are valuable for the employees - and it is not in setting salaries. It is useful in cases concerning merit promotion, disclipinary actions, reassignments, transfers, equal employment opportunity, discrimination based on sex or race, or many other issues.

Unions can be a pain in the butt for HR offices to work with but they have helped employees in many situations.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

public sector union active emps and retirees have "agreed to changes in work rules and changes in health plans and pension plans in order to survive in the new reality." TOO!

I know what you're saying but the realities are different for public and private. When there's no profit motive, things are different and no amount of relating good work done is applicable to what I'm discussing.

Profit (cash) is not created by employees of public unions in order to facilitate and demonstrate their value, and that's just a fact of life.

All renumeration received by public employees is extracted from the private sector. You might say as a loyal public sector employee that the services you provide is just being paid for, but that's a stretch and a half, as taxpayers have no choice in the matter, and little say in the "purchase".

I know some states, as Florida has under the leadership of Rick Scott, been a little successful in scaling back some union employees benefits. I'm not sure what Gov. Scott did, but usually it's a form of "blackmail", where the employees agree to "givebacks" in order to avoid threatened layoffs, or even elimination of a department. In many unionized states this doesn't work as the workers have "tenure rights" and are just reassigned.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Then I have been misinformed and you need to write to Thomas Sowell directly

I just read it with my daily read and found it interesting....if it is wrong then we should really and honestly write to him on it.

6/11 Proposed amendments to NLRB election rules and regulations fact sheet
Proposed amendments to NLRB election rules and regulations fact sheet | NLRB - much easier reading than:
December 22, 2011 representation election procedures (published at 76 Fed. Reg. 80138)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011...2011-32642.pdf
[but much more enlightening!]

then there is - s.j.r. 36 - haven't found results data on this joint resolution to overturn everything - but obama has said he will veto it if they do!

in my book - this entire "ambush" is a train wreck - for all sides! having participated in organizing efforts, the reduced timelines are far more detrimental to the union, the business and the employees.

thomas sowell's opinion is really over the top! there are bigger problems in these amendments than what he selected - they just aren't as attention-getting.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I know what you're saying but the realities are different for public and private. snipped

i don't think you do know whay we're saying - neither buggy nor i are saying anything about salaries! i am pointing out that regardless of private OR public, unions provide protections for members as well as employers. and public unions are making the same concessions private unions are are for their survival.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

i don't think you do know whay we're saying - neither buggy nor i are saying anything about salaries! i am pointing out that regardless of private OR public, unions provide protections for members as well as employers. and public unions are making the same concessions private unions are are for their survival.

You have not been on this forum long enough to know that some of the very conservative posters (Wubers) get their marching orders each and every day from Fox News. They use the same phrasing that Fox Noise uses, they have the same regurgitated thoughts that Fox Noise has implanted in them, and basically the Wubers have no originality when it comes to political ideas.

The misinformation they have on public unions is all garnered from the talking heads on Fox Noise. Just overlook their biased viewpoints and realize they have been misinformed and therefore either ignore their rantings or just thank them for making you laugh at their nonsense.

Thank you, RichieLion.

Originally Posted by buggyone

You have not been on this forum long enough to know that some of the very conservative posters (Wubers) get their marching orders each and every day from Fox News. They use the same phrasing that Fox Noise uses, they have the same regurgitated thoughts that Fox Noise has implanted in them, and basically the Wubers have no originality when it comes to political ideas.

The misinformation they have on public unions is all garnered from the talking heads on Fox Noise. Just overlook their biased viewpoints and realize they have been misinformed and therefore either ignore their rantings or just thank them for making you laugh at their nonsense.

Thank you, RichieLion.

Buggy, I'm getting very offended by this nonsensical Fox News B.S. You know it's B.S.

I'll quit the forum if you provide any direct evidence of FOX News saying exactly what I said about unions.

Put up, or shut up. I'm not kidding.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

i don't think you do know whay we're saying - neither buggy nor i are saying anything about salaries! i am pointing out that regardless of private OR public, unions provide protections for members as well as employers. and public unions are making the same concessions private unions are are for their survival.

The vast majority of public unions are definitely not making the concessions the private unions are making. No way, Jose.

Fine, I agree that the union's representation is important, but the playing field is like night and day in regard to private and public unions.

This is why the Teamster's are rapidly organizing as many public employee groups as they can in order to survive, because the jobs are way more stable because there is no "profit god" to serve.

You may be able to convince the general public, but I was involved with the Union for over 40 years, and you have nothing to teach me.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Aha! We have bi-partisan consensus! That may be a first in this forum in recent memory!

Nah.....I support public unions.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Buggy, I'm getting very offended by this nonsensical Fox News B.S. You know it's B.S.

I'll quit the forum if you provide any direct evidence of FOX News saying exactly what I said about unions.

Put up, or shut up. I'm not kidding.

Buh-bye.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Just to clarify; I'm a former member and supporter of private sector unions.

The public sector unions?; that's a different kettle of fish.

Why is public sector different? OK for us to work Holidays for nothing extra? What makes a Teamster anything better? Having been on both sides of the negotiating table with Teamsters I mostly heard whining from them.

Originally Posted by buggyone

You have not been on this forum long enough to know that some of the very conservative posters (Wubers) get their marching orders each and every day from Fox News. They use the same phrasing that Fox Noise uses, they have the same regurgitated thoughts that Fox Noise has implanted in them, and basically the Wubers have no originality when it comes to political ideas.

The misinformation they have on public unions is all garnered from the talking heads on Fox Noise. Just overlook their biased viewpoints and realize they have been misinformed and therefore either ignore their rantings or just thank them for making you laugh at their nonsense.

Thank you, RichieLion.

The one piece of FOX parroting I'm sick of is the snarky "Really?". Someone gives a point of view and wham "Really?"

Originally Posted by Posh 08

Why is public sector different? OK for us to work Holidays for nothing extra? What makes a Teamster anything better? Having been on both sides of the negotiating table with Teamsters I mostly heard whining from them.

posh -
i guess some folks just have a very short-sighted interpretation of solidarity if all they can do is hang their hat on the difference between public an private sector.

i never had to deal with teamster unions but my husband did - and they were USELESS in supporting the little local they picked up that he was in! i did more with establishing and implementing a salary payment and increase schedule for their employees!

http://www.creators.com/opinion/john...taxpayers.html




I guess John Stossel copied RichieLion's ideas. Don't leave, Richie! Please stay!