Originally Posted by efrahingarcia

They (the Usama people) claims that past relations dont matter. How come it you have past dubious relations you can not get a job with the U S Government. And.......... he wants the No 1 job in the USA.
Maybe Wall Street knows more than we think, remember that the markets look at the future, and it is really ugly what waits for us with an Usama presidency.

At the time of my previous posting I did not know of an Islamic Economic Philosophy then I read something in this regard in the ticker that runs under the image on the television. I look in google and there it was the SHARIA Economic Law, and what do you know: It talks about INCOME RE-DISTRIBUTION, what a coincidence, this is the same Sharia Law that used to cut the hands of people by the barrel full in Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by efrahingarcia

At the time of my previous posting I did not know of an Islamic Economic Philosophy then I read something in this regard in the ticker that runs under the image on the television. I look in google and there it was the SHARIA Economic Law, and what do you know: It talks about INCOME RE-DISTRIBUTION, what a coincidence, this is the same Sharia Law that used to cut the hands of people by the barrel full in Afghanistan.

The future is beginning to look very scary !!!

I read somewhere that people who continue to spew the illogical and unsubstantiated garbage that Senator Obama is a Muslim, is tied to radical Ayers, is tied to various Islamic groups, etc., ad nauseum, are indeed racist. They can't find it in themselves to vote for a black man. Yet those racist views are not acceptable in polite society, so unconciously they adopt these views which give them an acceptable reason (in their convoluted minds) for arguing against Obama. I think we have a number of people here in this forum who fall into that category. And there is no reason to keep up conversation with them. They're minds are set. We have a man running who was president of Harvard Law society. That takes such incredible intelligence, yet is virtually ignored. He did community organizing to help poor people, and he's cast as unpatriotic for some reason for doing that. The list goes on and on. He is a bright, charismatic person, with some new ideas, a leader at a time when we need one. He has inspired millions of new young voters to come to the polls. If you don't agree with him on the issues which have been prominently displayed in the media and on his web page, fine, vote for McCain. I personally don't see the point of the back and forth in this forum with people who can't come up with logical arguments, only emotionally charged rhetoric and regurgitated smears. And frankly, I am shocked that McCain who vowed he would run a clean campaign, has stooped to such nonsense. It certainly does not bring people in the country together.

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Originally Posted by cologal

Bucco...

I GIVE UP

I told you why I couldn't vote for McCain and they didn't come from the Huffington Post. But if they did why would it matter...they are still my reasons. You insult me and my intelligence....do you think I am some ditsy broad that needs somebody to tell her who to vote for? You make up your mind and I will make up mine.

So I will not vote for McCain you couldn't put a gun to my head and get me to vote for him.

I don't give a crap about Ayers, some black poet and the husband of a women from whom Obama bought a piece of land at market price.

I care about the economy..if you have looked its in the toilet. The last time the Dem's were in we had jobs, healthcare and a budget surplus.

I am all for that........

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Originally Posted by rekop

I read somewhere that people who continue to spew the illogical and unsubstantiated garbage that Senator Obama is a Muslim, is tied to radical Ayers, is tied to various Islamic groups, etc., ad nauseum, are indeed racist. They can't find it in themselves to vote for a black man. Yet those racist views are not acceptable in polite society, so unconciously they adopt these views which give them an acceptable reason (in their convoluted minds) for arguing against Obama. I think we have a number of people here in this forum who fall into that category. And there is no reason to keep up conversation with them. They're minds are set. We have a man running who was president of Harvard Law society. That takes such incredible intelligence, yet is virtually ignored. He did community organizing to help poor people, and he's cast as unpatriotic for some reason for doing that. The list goes on and on. He is a bright, charismatic person, with some new ideas, a leader at a time when we need one. He has inspired millions of new young voters to come to the polls. If you don't agree with him on the issues which have been prominently displayed in the media and on his web page, fine, vote for McCain. I personally don't see the point of the back and forth in this forum with people who can't come up with logical arguments, only emotionally charged rhetoric and regurgitated smears. And frankly, I am shocked that McCain who vowed he would run a clean campaign, has stooped to such nonsense. It certainly does not bring people in the country together.

I will take your post personally as I am anything but racist. I never ever not once said that Sen Obama was a muslim NOR do I remember ever hearing anyone on the campagin say that...EVER.

His inspiration of folks to vote if you are reading the news about ACORN is something this country should be ashamed of.

You chastise Sen McCain for NOT SAYING THAT SEN OBAMA IS A RACIST....but for saying his ties to radicalism are an issue in this campaign. He, Sen McCain, isthe man who tempered someof the crowds....he, Sen McCain has stayed away from Rev Wright yet you bring him down. It is ok with you and others that the Obama campaign..surely not him....can yell racist or hate and you respond in kind.

Sorry if you are going to imply that I am a racist you will here from me and trust me I am restraining myself. Dont use others to make yourself feel good about your feelings

In case you are referring to me please note that I am Hispanic, there goes your racist call. I am just stating the facts. In case you dont know Saudi Arabia has spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollares building mezquitas (islamic centers) in the USA to promote the take over from within. We know arabs, Spain was dominated by them for 4 centuries. And when we see one we know. I would not care about the color, I will the first to vote for Collin Power or Condolezza Rice. It is no coincidence that all the left groups call racism when they are cornered. I did not invent the "fair distribution of wealth" neither did I know that it is the Sharia Law. Coincidence, maybe.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I will take your post personally as I am anything but racist. I never ever not once said that Sen Obama was a muslim NOR do I remember ever hearing anyone on the campagin say that...EVER.

His inspiration of folks to vote if you are reading the news about ACORN is something this country should be ashamed of.

You chastise Sen McCain for NOT SAYING THAT SEN OBAMA IS A RACIST....but for saying his ties to radicalism are an issue in this campaign. He, Sen McCain, isthe man who tempered someof the crowds....he, Sen McCain has stayed away from Rev Wright yet you bring him down. It is ok with you and others that the Obama campaign..surely not him....can yell racist or hate and you respond in kind.

Sorry if you are going to imply that I am a racist you will here from me and trust me I am restraining myself. Dont use others to make yourself feel good about your feelings

I understand efrahin's arguments about racism. I don't agree with the theory but I understand it and I'm sure that it is true for some. I once called one member here a bigot for his non-stop tirade about Obama being a closet Muslim. That, to me, was and is true. If you stereotype all members of the Islam faith with the fanatic brush, you are a bigot in my mind. The vast majority of Muslims are good, kind, wonderful people. Like any religion, it is the extremists who make the news.

While it is true that no one on the Republican campaign (that I know of) directly said that Obama was a Muslim, it was said and implied by several conservatives both in print and on television (we'll ignore the internet on this one) -- the misspeaking by Obama of 57 states; the emphasis on his middle name; the fact he went to a Muslim school as a child; his father's and stepfather's history. That tactic failed and now it is the radical tar being applied.

You keep giving McCain credit for calming the crowd down when they were shouting "kill him" about Obama. If the Republicans and conservatives hadn't started the scare tactics of Obama being a Muslim and a radical, there would have been no need to calm the mob. McCain continues to attack the radical issue in his ads but says Americans have nothing to fear if Obama becomes president. Sorry, but that speaks of hipocrisy at its best.

Bucco, you get upset that people don't defend McCain and the attacks on him. What have been the attacks on him? That he was a lousy pilot? He was. That he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? He does -- he's a politician, it's part of the job description. That he has a temper? He does. That he's not the sharpest tack in the package? He's not -- graduating 2d from last from Annapolis doesn't say a lot.

So far, I haven't seen an Obama ad attacking McCain. I've seen ads attacking some of McCain's "solutions." I've seen ads approved by Obama attacking some of McCain's policy stances. But I have not seen a single ad directly attacking McCain. I wish I could say the same of McCain's ads. As long as McCain plays the radical card and then tells supporters that Obama is a good man and there is nothing to fear if Obama becomes President, I'll be wondering what the truth is -- is the radical background an issue and will Obama bring us to the brink of (or over) socialism or is it all campaign scare tactics that mean nothing?

I, personally, distrust McCain so much, I think in his latest stunt they planted people in the audience, so he could come off as a semi-rational person. Woman: "Obama scares me, I think he's an Arab." McCain: "No, now Senator Obama is a decent person, not an Arab." I can see his teeth gritting as he said it! I just have absolutely no trust in anything McCain says or does.

This is just getting ridiculous...when I was 10 all the talk was that JFK was going to turn the country over to the Pope. Look at how many children they are having and they have weapon stashes in the rec centers. To think that 48 years later I am hearing the same kind of BS is amazing.

Obama is not now nor never was a Muslim..get over it. He was born in Hawaii and is a US citizen. He is not going to turn us over to Islamic law...the President doesn't have that kind of power. That is why we have a balanced form of government. There are 3 equal powers..it is NOT a dictatorship. Although I believe that Bush and Cheney have flaunted Executive Privilege and Palin wants more of that it seems.

Obama is not trying to redistribute wealth...he is trying to give the middle class a well deserved tax cut. If you make less than $250,000 then you will get a tax cut. If not your taxes are going up. But then again you got a massive tax cut last time while the rest of us were left out. Geez I didn't even get the $300.00 stimulus package check. I make to much for that and not enough for the Bush tax cuts.

I will not live my life in fear..... I don't like John McCain but I don't fear him.

My vote has been cast... some Dem's some Repubs and no to all state constitution changes.

Have a nice day in TV.

Cologal: If you were a 15 yrs old I could understand your posting.

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Originally Posted by redwitch

I understand efrahin's arguments about racism. I don't agree with the theory but I understand it and I'm sure that it is true for some. I once called one member here a bigot for his non-stop tirade about Obama being a closet Muslim. That, to me, was and is true. If you stereotype all members of the Islam faith with the fanatic brush, you are a bigot in my mind. The vast majority of Muslims are good, kind, wonderful people. Like any religion, it is the extremists who make the news.

While it is true that no one on the Republican campaign (that I know of) directly said that Obama was a Muslim, it was said and implied by several conservatives both in print and on television (we'll ignore the internet on this one) -- the misspeaking by Obama of 57 states; the emphasis on his middle name; the fact he went to a Muslim school as a child; his father's and stepfather's history. That tactic failed and now it is the radical tar being applied.

You keep giving McCain credit for calming the crowd down when they were shouting "kill him" about Obama. If the Republicans and conservatives hadn't started the scare tactics of Obama being a Muslim and a radical, there would have been no need to calm the mob. McCain continues to attack the radical issue in his ads but says Americans have nothing to fear if Obama becomes president. Sorry, but that speaks of hipocrisy at its best.

Bucco, you get upset that people don't defend McCain and the attacks on him. What have been the attacks on him? That he was a lousy pilot? He was. That he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? He does -- he's a politician, it's part of the job description. That he has a temper? He does. That he's not the sharpest tack in the package? He's not -- graduating 2d from last from Annapolis doesn't say a lot.

So far, I haven't seen an Obama ad attacking McCain. I've seen ads attacking some of McCain's "solutions." I've seen ads approved by Obama attacking some of McCain's policy stances. But I have not seen a single ad directly attacking McCain. I wish I could say the same of McCain's ads. As long as McCain plays the radical card and then tells supporters that Obama is a good man and there is nothing to fear if Obama becomes President, I'll be wondering what the truth is -- is the radical background an issue and will Obama bring us to the brink of (or over) socialism or is it all campaign scare tactics that mean nothing?

Redwitch...I agree with absolutely not one thing in your post, but I agree you have the right to feel anyway you want. Your post reads like a Democratic talking point one after the other. If you have not seen the attack ads by Obama...please take a look at factcheck (pretty evenly distributed by the two but you will find the LIES by both parties). If you think that anyone of any credence at all has called Sen Obama a muslim, I would love to hear who they are because it did not happen, HOWEVER, if you think that folks are calling Sen McCain racist for just about anything, that IS A FACT. But calling him that is not the same as being that.

The "radical card" as you call it, in Sen Obama's case is extremely valid...VERY MUCH SO. I wont go into it anymore...have done that for about 6 weeks and nobody has ONCE ever found fault with my facts, simply shrugged them off and say they are not important.

This paragraph of yours below...

"Bucco, you get upset that people don't defend McCain and the attacks on him. What have been the attacks on him? That he was a lousy pilot? He was. That he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? He does -- he's a politician, it's part of the job description. That he has a temper? He does. That he's not the sharpest tack in the package? He's not -- graduating 2d from last from Annapolis doesn't say a lot."

It is simply amazing to me that you would even attempt to put this into the same catagory as what we KNOW about Sen Obama....his TWENTY YEAR ASSOCIATION WITH REV WRIGHT....his associations with radicals and radical thinkers.

I am tired of this honestly and with respect. It just seems ok for people to make the simplest statements of no consequence (Pilots, Palin's family, etc), and the same folks to yell racism and hate on a crtique of their candidate instead of addressing it, to have Jessie Jackson's son say he is acting too white....and yet the same people say that the name calling is coming from Sen McCain.

You know I am not a McCain supporter in any way....I simply oppose the bashing of him without even considering anything at all negative about Sen Obama. It is as if he has some kind of halo over his head and if you hurt him, his staff will immediately call you racist, a hate mongerer, or being like George Wallace. I got news for you...the only mention of race comes from his supporters !!!!!!!!!!!!

Look...it appears he will be elected. I wish him well as he will be MY president as well. I pretty much know the direction it will go...his ENTIRE history, NOT HIS WORDS THE LAST FEW MONTHS....will show youthat direction.


I cannot tell you how much I sincerely hope I am wrong...I pray that I am not, but in my heart I KNOW I am not but it is too late...he has mesmerized so many folks and now even with the NATIONWIDE fraud going on with all the registration, even that is ok and no problem with americans. WOW...Sen McCain, whether right or wrong, leaves the campaign trail for one day early and it is headlines and he is scathed....we allow thousands and thousands of folks to register very blantanly with fraud and you would be hard stretched to find anyone to critique that.

To the following in your post...

"While it is true that no one on the Republican campaign (that I know of) directly said that Obama was a Muslim, it was said and implied by several conservatives both in print and on television (we'll ignore the internet on this one) -- the misspeaking by Obama of 57 states; the emphasis on his middle name; the fact he went to a Muslim school as a child; his father's and stepfather's history. That tactic failed and now it is the radical tar being applied."

I just refer you to the literally THOUSANDS of accusations about Gov Palin that were LIES and untrue but they seem to be acceptable. Why you bring this up I dont understand....geez, there have been attacks on McCain and his wife and their adopted children. To my knowledge noone nowhere has attacked the Obama family !!!


Redwitch..nothing personal I hope...I am giving up. Those who are swooning will not listen and are just looking to spalsh racism all over Sen McCain...I find that insulting to be honest and I am not talking about you at all. Pointing out idealogy of a candidate should not be a call to accuse the person who brings it up as a racist or hate mongerer...that racism is coming from somewhere else but you dont see it !~

Originally Posted by efrahingarcia

Cologal: If you were a 15 yrs old I could understand your posting.

Well if I was 10 in 1960 then I must be older than 15. Your statement that you can't be racist because you are Hispanic just ridiculous. Anyone can be a racist...

In 1960 many of the same things were being said as are being posted here. Only that time it was all about the Pope...he was a Papist and the country would be ruled by the Pope. Just silly. This time he is a "Muslim" and we will be turned over to a radical terrorist. Just as silly.

Originally Posted by cologal

Well if I was 10 in 1960 then I must be older than 15. Your statement that you can't be racist because you are Hispanic just ridiculous. Anyone can be a racist...

In 1960 many of the same things were being said as are being posted here. Only that time it was all about the Pope...he was a Papist and the country would be ruled by the Pope. Just silly. This time he is a "Muslim" and we will be turned over to a radical terrorist. Just as silly.

Please tell me where this MUSLIM thing is coming from ??? I see so many posters on here make the statement that Sen Obama is being called a muslim, yet the only folks I see talking about it are those who support him !!!

I think I saw ONE post on here saying something but most of the posters who mention it are supporting him ????