Watch this video report...it is rumored to soon be pulled from you tube for obvious reasons:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GofjDDWX_M[/ame]

I personally do not know what to believe yet. What I do know since I first saw the initial reports and videos is that it is not a jet plane. It is definitely a rocket propulsion after burn.

For me the jury is out as to who or what. But not for the fact we the people are being had.

btk

I never believed it was an airplane, but there is a lot of hyperbole in this video that I do agree with. I suspect it was an accidental launch of US ground or ship to air defense missile.

Of course the video that was shot from another angle showing that this was, in fact, a contrail isn't included, the "experts" are unnamed - nothing about their background is mentioned - we're just supposed to take the word of alarmists. They also don't mention the fact that air traffic controllers saw this and our GEOS-11 satellite saw this (look at the picture in the link and you'll see how horizontal it looks) and it even changed course consistent with US Airways Flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix.

IT TOOK ALL OF A SINGLE DAY to determine this. Why? Because it's happened before. When the atmospheric conditions are just right, you get this kind of persistent contrail.

http://www.space.com/9543-infamous-c...ite-image.html

Use some common sense. If this were from a Chinese sub, war would have been declared. We almost went to nuclear war with the Soviets over a case of mistaken identity when a computer glitch made it look like there were incoming ICBMs. Do you REALLY think the Chinese would risk being nuked for some stupid stunt like this? No, what the Chinese do is pop up near a US battle group like they did back in 2007

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

The idea that there is a conspiracy involving, among other, enough of the United States Air Force (for who I work) to pull something like this off is insulting and degrading.

I suggest a sanity check and think about what it would take to pull off a stunt. And *IF* there were such a conspiracy, why blow ALL THOSE ASSETS for NOTHING?

Oh - and as far as it being an "accidental" U.S. launch? That's even more farfetched because, eventually, the truth always comes out in these. When we erroneously shot down an Iranian passenger jet, it was on the news within hours.

How quick so many people are to believe the worst of us no matter how much evidence to the contrary - yet cling to the flimsiest notions of other's imaginations.

I'd also like more info, but if it's a government coverup to save face, I guess it won't be forthcoming.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it and put my faith in this administration having the "proper" response to this threat.

Obama and Congress declaring war with our biggest creditor at this point in history? Yeah right; I can see that happening.

Saving face? *THIS* government? Remember what I said - we admitted we SHOT DOWN A CIVILIAN AIRLINER.

Here's another clue - for something like that, I, for one AM UNDER OATH to report any coverups that I see - and that goes for EVERYONE in the armed services.

And that "biggest creditor" line? Yeah, right. Think a minute.. Who has whom by the short and curlies? What happens if we decide to default on those T-Bills? The Chinese stand lose a LOT. Think about loan sharks - do they kill the people who owe them hige amounts? Of course not - because they'll never see a dime of what they're owed.

This just doesn't pass the "sniff test" - for one, it was way too easy to explain and people who wouldn't be anywhere near "the conspiracy" were able to figure things out. Remember, that helicopter caught one "angle" that looked like a missile - but there was another angle caught by someone on the coast that CLEARLY showed it looking like a normal (though persistent) contrail.

There's another conspiracy theory out there that the contrails we DO see are actually black-ops personell spraying us with unknown chemicals and that's just as looney.

explanation that would convince me it is airplane vapor trail.

Secondly and more to my problem, I have witnessed too many missile launches from near and afar.

As I have said earlier in the post I do not have enough information to be convinced it is not a missile trail.

And I am certainly not willing to accept any notion that our government would not or would not do or say this or that.....under any leadership before and especially the Obama administration. Why? Simply because there have been too many WORDS in the last two years with no backing, consistency, validity or follow up.....for the benefit of we the people. That is how I see it...right or wrong? To be determined!!!

btk

So the video that clearly showed it was an airplane contrail and the photograph from NASA aren't enough?

What WOULD you accept? A sworn statement from the Chinese that it wasn't them?

Do you wonder why political debates get so heated when you decide to ignore anything that dispells the Conspiracy Theory?

Originally Posted by djplong

So the video that clearly showed it was an airplane contrail and the photograph from NASA aren't enough?

What WOULD you accept? A sworn statement from the Chinese that it wasn't them?

Do you wonder why political debates get so heated when you decide to ignore anything that dispells the Conspiracy Theory?

Exactly what kind of plane made that amazing vertical climb, and left that contrail?

I'd like to see a demonstration to prove your faith in the government's reply.

what has been shown.
I have yet to see a video that convinces me it is an airplane. Airplanes have multiple engines, multiple vapor trails and are usually seen in level pathways and not in climb as the videos I have seen portray. Also an airplane does not exhibit acceleration as shown in the videos presented thus far. I have seen multiple high speed launches of fighter aircraft that do not leave a trail as shown to date. Even JATO assisted take offs, while putting out a ton of vapor are more flat trajectory and much, much slower by comparison. The video does in fact however demonstrate the characteristics of a single nozzle/exhaust, high speed climb with vortexing of the vapor trail due to the acceleration turbulence.

And the throw away comment of do I need a pledge from the Chinese it was not them. I did supply the video report that alleged the Chinese. I did not say I believed that is who it was.

If you believe what has been presented then so be it, but please don't denounce others who do not share your view and are skeptical of what has been presented thus far. I SAID....the jury is out and I do not buy what has been presented to date.....right or wrong to be determined!!

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

what has been shown.
I have yet to see a video that convinces me it is an airplane. Airplanes have multiple engines, multiple vapor trails and are usually seen in level pathways and not in climb as the videos I have seen portray. Also an airplane does not exhibit acceleration as shown in the videos presented thus far. I have seen multiple high speed launches of fighter aircraft that do not leave a trail as shown to date. Even JATO assisted take offs, while putting out a ton of vapor are more flat trajectory and much, much slower by comparison. The video does in fact however demonstrate the characteristics of a single nozzle/exhaust, high speed climb with vortexing of the vapor trail due to the acceleration turbulence.

And the throw away comment of do I need a pledge from the Chinese it was not them. I did supply the video report that alleged the Chinese. I did not say I believed that is who it was.

If you believe what has been presented then so be it, but please don't denounce others who do not share your view and are skeptical of what has been presented thus far. I SAID....the jury is out and I do not buy what has been presented to date.....right or wrong to be determined!!

btk

Most Jet Airliners at peak altitude leave what seems like a single contrail and depending on where the pictures or videos are take can have the appearance of a vertical climb when in fact they are flying in a horizontal plane.

Originally Posted by Topper1

Most Jet Airliners at peak altitude leave what seems like a single contrail and depending on where the pictures or videos are take can have the appearance of a vertical climb when in fact they are flying in a horizontal plane.

It probably was a weather balloon.

Richie - It WASN'T a vertical climb - it LOOKED that way because of the angle of the shot. The helicopter shot the video along the same angle of the plane's direction. Here's an example of the SAME effect:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200...hoto_of_a.html

This was done simply with a long exposure that showed the lights on the plane taking off - it LOOKS like it went practically straight up but it didn't.

If you're looking east and a plane starts above you heading east, the further it goes, the lower it gets in the sky. Because of where the helicopter was, the contrail made the same effect.

I was fooled thinking a plane was hovering in mid-air some years ago because of the same forced perspective. It was headed in my direction and appeared to be just 'sitting there'. As I drove on and the plane was more at an angle away from me, I saw it was coming in for a landing.

When you see floodlights in the sky, when they are looking in your direction at 0 or 180 degrees, they look like they're headed straight up in the air but they're not.

There are a LOT of examples of this that are FAR simpler than some massive foreign plot or government coverup that makes *no* sense whatsoever.

Again, I ask you, even if this WAS something nefarious, WHY let it so many people see it? Because everyone else who saw it from a different angle saw an ordinary contrail lit up by the setting sun.

Again, what you're saying is that the helipcopter video means more to you than NASA's GEOS-11 satellite and the video shot by someone else on the ground from another angle.

I know the federal government is a powerful force to be reckoned with, but powerful enough to overcome any and all investigative efforts and reporting by the internet and the media? I have as much doubt of that as I do the explanation that it was a simple contrail from a high-flying jet.