Originally Posted by Bucco

WOW.....does not matter, folks just want to call names instead of being factual. Not sure what that means in this case....my experience is that you call names and make crazy allegations when you have nothing of import or substance to say.

You folks are so afraid to admit that the President could be wrong, it is frightening. Do you honestly really believe that he is perfect in every way.

I also would call you as the other poster to contradict me on FACTS...like a grown up

I'm growing old.....not up!!!!

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Buggy, you tell Bucco that posting here is not going to change the minds of anyone else, and that his posts do not help his cause at all. However when you post, you are "tryinging to enlighten others" and "if someone's viewpoints are changed, so much the better".

You've got to understand that the progressives are so much more enlightened and intelligent than the unwashed masses of their fellow citizens.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Some of the posters on this forum call the liberal element "Communists". The antithesis of communism are the nazis. I would never call anyone a nazi. Why do they get away with calling a liberal a communist?

I wouldn't call you a communist, but you are certainly an ally, unwitting or not, to the communists and socialists who are infiltrating our government, local and national, and who are being facilitated by our current President.

The communists and socialists and even the Muslim Brotherhood have a foothold in this administration.

You'd be blind not to see it.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I wouldn't call you a communist, but you are certainly an ally, unwitting or not, to the communists and socialists who are infiltrating our government, local and national, and who are being facilitated by our current President.

The communists and socialists and even the Muslim Brotherhood have a foothold in this administration.

You'd be blind not to see it.

And this name calling is grown up??? "Communist!" "Socialist!" And how are the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Obama Administration?

There is a "Muslim Brotherhood" party in Egypt with which Obama has been meeting. White House Defends Meetings with Muslim Brotherhood | Middle East | English

Originally Posted by coralway

It is simply amazing anyone can ask "who is Barack Obama". The guy campaigned for 23 months !!!!! 23 months !!!! He was asked every conceivable question under the sun - and he answered every single one. Now, you may not have liked all of his answers, but he answered each and every questions.

I lost track of how many debates he participated in - and then when only he and Hillary were left, they had a series of debates that garnered huge TV prime time ratings.

So, after 23 months of campaigning and many debates, how can anyone possibly ask "who is Barack Obama"?

Either you weren't paying attention or you were too overwhelmed by the sheer lunacy of the R's VP choice.

The FACT is Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. His polling numbers indicates he is much preferred over Etch-A-Sketch and will, in all probability, be overwhelmingly reelected, as he should be.

The liberal media went vey soft on Obama and acted as if he was a rock star rather than a guy running for the most powerful office in the world. If someone dared ask a direct questrion they recived the alinsky treatment, which by the way he still continues to do. Just ask the large contributors to romney's campaign that have made Obama's enemies list only for the reason of contributions to the person they feel is fit to run this country. Its akin to the EPA's treatment wherein they follow the Romans lead by roughing up five guys in a conquered village so the rest of the townsfolk follow in line. Its classic and its being practiced through Obama's administration

Originally Posted by buggyone

Some of the posters on this forum call the liberal element "Communists". The antithesis of communism are the nazis. I would never call anyone a nazi. Why do they get away with calling a liberal a communist?

Perhaps I am wrong but I think the opposite of communist is facist but irrespective you are absolutely correct that these words should not be in this conversation

Originally Posted by buggyone

This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

Buggyone: Again I agree with you. O;reilly just can't keep his mouth shut. However if you think back this has become fashionable for all talk hosts on either side of the fence. Apparently not one of them can wait to hear the period at the end of a sentence. Its distracting and quite frankly if one of these hosts ask me on their show and kept interrupting I would thank them, explain that they could do a one man ask answer and save the viewing public and me time. Its just plain rude! Please bring back the Bill Buckley's so we can have some civil, logical and sensible discourse.

Media bias in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The allegation and people involved aside, the real and important issue here is that choosing our leaders is one of the most important acts each and everyone of us will ever do in our lives. We cannot do it unless we immerse ourselves as deeply as we possible can. We cannot allow any candidate for any office believe he/she can be flip about a question concerning who they are and what they stand for because we are choosing them to represent us....and that is the only reason I started this thread.

Just look back at some of the posts and you can see the disruptions and confusion this issue has cause...now multiply that across the country. I am very upset at those individuals who are responsbile for the vetting procees on both sides as well as the media for not bring these allegations to their finality before citizens voted in 2008.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Media bias in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would much prefer to hear what YOU have to say and use something to validate it but most of us are well aware of what is in Wiki, and it has its purpose but is by intent very vague and general. PLUS it is better to hear what a poster thinks, not what they cut and pasted unless thats it I suppose

There is an article in the NYTIMES in the last week on the subject...read that one, and do some browsing on Goldberg (I am pretty sure of the name) who wrote a book on the media coverage in 2008. Then interpet, post and use them as validation

Originally Posted by rubicon

The allegation and people involved aside, the real and important issue here is that choosing our leaders is one of the most important acts each and everyone of us will ever do in our lives. We cannot do it unless we immerse ourselves as deeply as we possible can. We cannot allow any candidate for any office believe he/she can be flip about a question concerning who they are and what they stand for because we are choosing them to represent us....and that is the only reason I started this thread.

Just look back at some of the posts and you can see the disruptions and confusion this issue has cause...now multiply that across the country. I am very upset at those individuals who are responsbile for the vetting procees on both sides as well as the media for not bring these allegations to their finality before citizens voted in 2008.

Good post and if I strayed from your thought process I am sorry...I did it only to address comments from other posters.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

And this name calling is grown up??? "Communist!" "Socialist!" And how are the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Obama Administration?

There is a "Muslim Brotherhood" party in Egypt with which Obama has been meeting. White House Defends Meetings with Muslim Brotherhood | Middle East | English

FORGET the names of the organizations and maybe try and look side by side at the policies and beliefs...that might make it easier.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Good post and if I strayed from your thought process I am sorry...I did it only to address comments from other posters.

Bucco: I know its like being on a talk show. At least we are being bombarded by print and not voices. God can you imagine being a guess on the View or The Talk. Its like commiting"scabble sucide"

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

And this name calling is grown up??? "Communist!" "Socialist!" And how are the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Obama Administration?

There is a "Muslim Brotherhood" party in Egypt with which Obama has been meeting. White House Defends Meetings with Muslim Brotherhood | Middle East | English

Obama has appointed Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development at the Department of Homeland Security. Alikhan once called Hezballah a “liberation movement”, and he participated in a fundraiser for the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). Like ISNA, MPAC has links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Don't doubt me Tal, I'm not like some of these lefties who post tripe. I know what I'm talking about. We have a socialist and a muslim extremist sympathizer as President, and that's the best I can say for him.


Muslim Brotherhood appointed to Homeland Security Council – Glenn Beck

Barack Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood | FrontPage Magazine

Originally Posted by rubicon

The allegation and people involved aside, the real and important issue here is that choosing our leaders is one of the most important acts each and everyone of us will ever do in our lives. We cannot do it unless we immerse ourselves as deeply as we possible can. We cannot allow any candidate for any office believe he/she can be flip about a question concerning who they are and what they stand for because we are choosing them to represent us....and that is the only reason I started this thread.

Just look back at some of the posts and you can see the disruptions and confusion this issue has cause...now multiply that across the country. I am very upset at those individuals who are responsbile for the vetting procees on both sides as well as the media for not bring these allegations to their finality before citizens voted in 2008.

This is why we have elections. In 2008 the democratic primary went on from Feb until June with countless debates between the candidates. Based on all this campaigning and information, the voters spoke loud and clear on election day in November 2008.