Originally Posted by Peachie

Perhaps if we begin raising the bar, one by one, Chels. :dontknow:

Peachie
You filled my day with laughter and light...raising the bar what a joke.. the dems cant go much lower even if they try. I just cant believe that open minded women will go for this stuff without taking offense. Don't kid yourself this kind of hate is being aimed right at you.
Can you imagine what they would say if someone said Obamas kids were really fathered by Bill Cosby, Or that one of his daughters was not his, OMG they would go nuts , BUT it's ok if said about Sarah Palin. I think it shows how afraid they are about her.
This reminds me of the blind faith put on Clinton, no matter what his faults. My friend says if they caught Bill Clinton " doing " his dog (4 legged) in the oval office , they would of said Look he's an animal lover.
My point is that the dems are rallying around people who are course and as low as they can go and they seem to be proud of their views. Benj

CHELSEA

YOU brought up whether you originated the thought or not...YOU are the one who brought race and nazi stuff into this thread. Nobody but you. You used your self in the first person when you posted first on the race and have yet to correct that.

YOU respond ONLY by talking about poor Sen Obama as if that was the single and only source of criticism...it appears you are so close minded that you cannot see the real world. I have said to you on many many occassions....it is both parties...you have yet to agree with that and in just about every post you bring up how Sen Obama is being mistreated.

PEACHIE...says raise the bar as if it were not YOU, CHELSEA who lowered it. Nobody, even in the worst of times on this board to my knowledge has even lowered themselves to repeat what you said on here today.

Again, I do not talk to folks who bring up race and talk nazi stuff. If it were not your words on race..your post says it was you.....or Nazi, WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD prompt you to even bring it up. I mean, WHY ? I would think you would be appalled at such language, and if you posted anything about it, it would be your disgust at such a remark.

Also, I will and have already begun to try and find what commentator said something like that and it did not even make the news....some one once said that Democrats are whiners and it was in the news for a week...but in any case, I am investigating each and every networks web site along with the blogs because I cannot believe in American today, this kind of language toward a party convention would be allowed. You bringing this stuff here is bad enough !

I dont know what else to say....I have been literally begging to discuss issues but it seems that Gov Palin's daughters pregnancy and comments on race and naziism are the prevailing thoughts. Those who are writing in the thread about declaring some sort of halt to the politics forum, are quick to jump here to talk about some soup opera situation that has never existed except on blogs and to bring up a racist and nazi comment. Seems to me that maybe responding to posts by STEVEZ or VILLAGESKAHUANA to discuss issues would be much more productive and adult !

Yeah, but you know what Benj? My blood pressure is normal, I'm happy, I sleep well at night even when things aren't so great and best of all; I have hope and faith in humanity. What is left if we lose civility?

Originally Posted by Peachie

Yeah, but you know what Benj? My blood pressure is normal, I'm happy, I sleep well at night even when things aren't so great and best of all; I have hope and faith in humanity. What is left if we lose civility?

Peachie,

Please dont misunderstand me. My comments were not aimed at you. I dont know if your Dem or GOP.
I am tyring to say that it's the civility that I'm looking for. Are those comments and accusations civil?. Is leaking Sarah Palin's SS# on left wing blogs civil?. Is vandalizing Denver vehicles that have the nerve to put McCain bumper stickers on their car civil?. Is throwing bleach on delegates to the GPO convention civil?. The dems say it's right wing people doing this but I don't see it.
I too sleep well and am happy, my only worry is that(not even Obama) but other people who will do the most base, unfair, and vicious things just to RULE us might prevail. But I like you have hope and faith in humanity and hope that fair minded Dems think about who it is that claim to represent them and their values. Benj

And Alex, that tag team reference.... if that means do I respect Chels, I sure do!! :bigthumbsup:

And Alex, that tag team reference.... if that means do I respect Chels, I sure do!!
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You are ok with what she has posted ? Maybe it is me

Lol, Bucco I was thinking I probably should have told you I have respect for you also and I came back to the site and darned if you didn't beat me to the thought. I don't need to have everyone swallow my thoughts to give them respect, Bucco. Our thoughts are just that, what we have created in our minds and I know there is no possible way to align everyone's perspective and ideals in most matters, particularly the election. And then add a big dollop of ego to all the controversy and we wandered far from what was intended. IMHO, the wonderful people in this forum read the posts, can determine what is concrete to this election and ignore the rest of the rambling. And I sincerely believe in my heart that whether John McCain or Barrack Obama and their respective VP's are elected, this country will be in good hands. I believe they both care deeply for this country and will do everything in their power to maintain our wonderful freedom. What they also bring to the table, is who will receive the perks. That is why no one's mind is being changed by these ramblings. Bottom line is that we are all going to vote for the President and VP who best serves our vision. May the media stop skewing the candidates, the candidates debate for the public and we will chose for ourselves.

I think Bucco and Chels should meet face to face. You might like each other.

I agree 040

Good post Peachie.....I agree I dont either need anyone to swallow my thoughts either. I am on record that I learn more from forums such as this than I give. I realize disagreements also and do not expect agreement.

Since it is a fact that both sides are doing things they shouldnt do, my initial thing today was the implication that it was one sided, but when I hear AND I DONT CARE WHETHER IT IS YOUR WORDS, HER WORDS OR ANYONES WORDS racism and the nazi word brought up or implied I am just disgusted.

I have said and will repeat...I do not support Sen Obama....however if he is elected I will surely respect him as my President.....and also AGAIN say I have never questioned his character or anything of the such.

I simply do not like the politics of hate !

Thanks again for your post PEACHIE..I know my answer was long and winding and for that I apologize...hatred like this is one of those issues that just ignite me

SAMHASS and PEACHIE....

I was so angry this morning when I read the racism and nazi stuff that being in my presence would not be a good thing. If we could drop that crap and get on with issues, maybe

Bucco, I'm trying to get you interested in the atom smasher that CERN has created. I think that may be a larger, albeit different issue. The first test is on the 10th.

Bucco, final thought here. Hope you calmed down by now. You seem to take all of this very personally. But just in case you think this kind of reference is one-sided, please look at the link below from Fox.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...ama-to-hitler/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q86O7qh44I0


As you can see, it's dirty pool in both directions. I apologize if the previous post offended you. I was repeating something I had heard that made me stop and listen. That's all it was.

Bucco, final thought here. Hope you calmed down by now. You seem to take all of this very personally. But just in case you think this kind of reference is one-sided, please look at the link below from Fox.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...ama-to-hitler/


As you can see, it's dirty pool in both directions. I apologize if the previous post offended you. I was repeating something I had heard that made me stop and listen. That's all it was.
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Stupid ignorant man making stupid ignorant immature comments is my thought on it.

I never doubted it was in both directions....why you said that is beyond me...I have preaching to you that it is a two way street on about every post.

YES I was offended because comments like repeated gain ground and credibility. I find them offensive and if I had heard them I would have sent off an email to the network yelling loud and clear..probably called today and IF I posted it here it would be in the context of disgusting comments !

Now take off your Democratic t shirt and go over to STEVE's thread on the economy, a REAL ISSUE and the thread about whether there ever was a perfect candidate...a POLITICAL discussion point, BOTH without any party labels attached !