Okay.....so much of what you say I agree with...

1. You say "You are always going off on Obama's connection to a Weatherman....." UNTIL THIS EVENING I HAVE NEVER EVER, NOT ONCE, NEVER EVEN TYPED THAT NAME...IF YOU SHOW IT TO ME I WILL BE SHOCKED...IT NEVER HAPPENED

2. I dont care if the word alleged is there or not. You choose not to look at the big picture at all. I presented the articles...I read them and many others and came to my conclusion which I tried to explain...I even titled the thread with a ?mark.

3. Yes I know he is a liberal but again you miss my point...I believe...note that is ME,..that he is radical not JUST left wing.

4. While the Communist Party of America has endorsed him strongly, I never once ever ever called him a communist...that was your leap afer reading the articles and I can see how you got there ! There are a lot more articles to read !

4. You find fault and want to discuss ISSUES. Please if you checkmy posts where you will find NO MENTION OF WEATHERMAN, you will find my askingfolks to discuss issues.
HOWEVER...THE most fervent and the most passionate threads and posts have been reserved for Gov Palin and her daughter and her librarian with NO credibility. I have offered some credibility for what I think IS AN ISSUE !

Originally Posted by Bucco

Okay.....so much of what you say I agree with...

1. You say "You are always going off on Obama's connection to a Weatherman....." UNTIL THIS EVENING I HAVE NEVER EVER, NOT ONCE, NEVER EVEN TYPED THAT NAME...IF YOU SHOW IT TO ME I WILL BE SHOCKED...IT NEVER HAPPENED

2. I dont care if the word alleged is there or not. You choose not to look at the big picture at all. I presented the articles...I read them and many others and came to my conclusion which I tried to explain...I even titled the thread with a ?mark.

3. Yes I know he is a liberal but again you miss my point...I believe...note that is ME,..that he is radical not JUST left wing.

4. While the Communist Party of America has endorsed him strongly, I never once ever ever called him a communist...that was your leap afer reading the articles and I can see how you got there ! There are a lot more articles to read !

4. You find fault and want to discuss ISSUES. Please if you checkmy posts where you will find NO MENTION OF WEATHERMAN, you will find my askingfolks to discuss issues.
HOWEVER...THE most fervent and the most passionate threads and posts have been reserved for Gov Palin and her daughter and her librarian with NO credibility. I have offered some credibility for what I think IS AN ISSUE !


I REALLY HATE TO DO THIS BUT I HAVE TO: Here is your post...with the word Weatherman in it.

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Re: Is this guy really ready for this position. Be honest with yourself.

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I am curious, could you please list the Marxists by name? Such a statement sounds very familiar, like a Senator from Wisconsin back in the 50s stating "I have a list of communists in the State Department." but never providing the list.
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Surely....not in any particular order...

SAUL ALINSKY....A fellow who lived and died in Chicago in 1972, the author of "Rules for Radicals"..one of his students was Cesar Chavez, and actually Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on this guy but it was not allowed to see the light of day during the Clinton presidency. The following quote is from a writer who wrote on the connection between Sen Obama and Alinsky..."Finally, in 1983, he decided to follow in the footsteps of one of his heroes, radical leftist and communist fellow traveler, Saul Alinsky. He concluded, "That's what I'll do… I'll organize black folks at the grass roots… for change.". However this is from his memoirs "among his friends he included "the more politically active black students, foreign students, Chicanos, Marxist professors, feminists, and punk rock performance poets."
This is a quote from Sen Obama discussing some things about Alinsky....""Sometimes the tendency in community organizing of the sort done by Alinsky was to downplay the power of words and of ideas when in fact ideas and words are pretty powerful. 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal.' Those are just words. 'I have a dream.' Just words."

There is a lot more out there but I am trying to keep away from the facts twister.

FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS...A labor activist known for his communist connections. He died in 1987 but during the 70s Sen Obama had a very close relationship with him and this is the guy that when Sen Obama refers to Frank his advisor that folks say he is referring to.

Again, I am trying to stay away from some of the other things out there because to my knowledge no verification on some stuff but lots and lots of smoke.

WILIAM AYERS...one of the famous WEATHERMEN of the 60's who bombed and killed. I cannot comment on any relationship here because the only facts are that Ayers contributed to Obamas campaign which in itself means nothing...they did served together at the same time on a board or two in Chicago however.

Now, I could add that Sen Obama has received an enthusiatic endorsement from the American Communist party or mention Rev Wright, etc, but my point is and always has been on this...

My concern with Sen Obama is that there is NO list of accomplishments for him...if you look at the current legislation he proffered in Congress (Global Poverty Act)..that is pretty socialist, and he himself has said he wants to "reallocate the worlds resources".....Lacking any achievements to make a consideration on, TO ME...it would seem that his training and past associates and those he calls mentors would be most important. Now, I find the above plus more but much of that falls into a catagory of hearsay...but this is what I have to go on...nothing more.

This is my concern...I am NOT a supporter of Sen McCain....I agree with some and disagree with other things he has done or stood for. In the case of Sen Obama, my concern is simply that he seems to stand for a very far left, socialist program and that is something I oppose.

I am open minded if you can allay any of my fears !

Good research COLOGAL...dont hate to do it....you are right and I was wrong...I did not think I had mentioned any of the associates by name like that...you got me...you are correct !

Did you understand my response to you ?

cologal said "
Now lets talk about the issues...How the heck can we pay for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae? Why are we paying for this bailout? These are private companies, until 1968 they were federal companies, but then they were deregulated."
Today
Palin was talking about how Freddie and Fannie were costing the taxpayers to much so the government had to take over. I don't think she was aware that Freddie and Fannie were private companies.

cologal said "
Now lets talk about the issues...How the heck can we pay for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae? Why are we paying for this bailout? These are private companies, until 1968 they were federal companies, but then they were deregulated."
Today
Palin was talking about how Freddie and Fannie were costing the taxpayers to much so the government had to take over. I don't think she was aware that Freddie and Fannie were private companies.
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SAMHASS...do you want me to cut and paste all the times I have posted on here about discussing issues ?

There are threads on all the issues but everyone has been busy slamming Gov Palin.

By the way,there are a number of connnections between Sen Obama's campaign and fannie mae !!!!!

It is hard for me...I don't support Obama but I am really tired of the smear emails that go flying around. Trust me that statement is NOT directed at you.

I had to look up William Ayers cause I didn't remember him. The fact that Obama was on some boards with him is not an issue. Now if Obama helped him make the bomb....

Davis was a black poet...don't really know much about him but Obama was introduced to him by his grandfather... Just think of it 2 white people from Kansas raising 2 kids of color what do they know about black culture. Was he a communist? I don't know but Obama was 10.

I like debate but would rather be talking about the issues...I am really freaked out about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae....

Obama was actually rated as a moderate Democrat until this year when he became the most liberal... So I think he is left of Hillary but I don't think he is a communist.

I don't think Palin's aware of many things. But, to Bucco's associations, let's look at Todd Palin and his association to the AIP. They wanted to sucede from the "lower 48". So much for "Country First."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4687705.ece

1. I did not call Sen Obama a communist...those are your words ! I never even said anything negative about his character.

2. What I have posted IS NOT THE RESULT OF ANY EMAILS. If you read the preamble to my first post here I told you very clearly how I came upon this information and trust me there is so much more !

3. Sen Obama is not only the top rated libeal in Congress...it has always been this way. IF you would read the article I posted about how he tried to change his survey back in Chicago so he would not appear to be as liberal as he was !

4. I just made a post on your fannie mae thread and suggest you visit the threads started about the issues !

I don't think Palin's aware of many things. But, to Bucco's associations, let's look at Todd Palin and his association to the AIP. They wanted to sucede from the "lower 48". So much for "Country First."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4687705.ece
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Thanks for the link CHELSEA and of course your ever present personal slam...would be dissapointed if you didnt make it personal.

Oh, and it is good reading...I have not yet begun to talk about Michelle Obama's relationships with some folks but was considering her off limits and still do....dont go that way ! But you enjoy ...I am talking about a man who wants to be in the White House.,..not his spouse...oh, and Sen Biden's spouse is off limits to me also.

Just curious how you took my post as a personal slam? Just because I used your name Bucco, Bucco? Please explain.

Also Sarah must have higher hopes than VP as she calls Todd "First Dude." 1rnfl

This is what I was referring to...

"I don't think Palin's aware of many things"

For some reason you need to give all the candidates and their families on the Republican side a zinger...its ok, just called it to your attention.

I am sure I may have done such a thing but I do try and keep it on the level...always call by their title...and try to never get personal !

Bucco....did you honestly think this would not get personal. You should know better and I warned you!

Now it is just too late for me to comment right now....will do so tomorrow....but I may get emotional too!

Bucco....did you honestly think this would not get personal. You should know better and I warned you!

Now it is just too late for me to comment right now....will do so tomorrow....but I may get emotional too!
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No, expected it. I must say that most,not all but most, of the personal slams come from the left HOWEVER having said that.....the public vetting of Gov Palin added to that....see, I think the vetting was to be expected being an unknown...that does not/did not bother me...what bothers me is the extent some folks go to on this, and after wasting all thier passion on the library or ONE EMAIL that some lady sent, they ignore the real issues and the background of the man they want to be President, who may be a nice and fine man but oh my....of course if folks want a radical left wing President that is their choice but there is so much in this YOUNG man's background that SHOULD alarm voters !

Bucco....that is each persons right....they can think their own way....relax! You did what you wanted to do...not everyone agrees and that is OK....

Hang in there! Be proud that you posted your facts, opinions and information! But let others take it in and form ther own opinion!! Keep sharing yours but no use in getting to upset about it!

Remember...I am a lefty as well so I could take things very personally and get emotional...best I do it in the morning after coffee!!!

Ya see Bucco, I like Senator Obama, background and all. I like what he stands for. I like the hope he brings. I like his stands on the issues. I'm going to vote for him. That's a done deal. I don't care if his Aunt Tilly grows pot. I like him very, very much. So, any and all cautions are wasted on me.