Originally Posted by Guest

Seems like some are hanging theirhat on whether the tissue and parts were charged for or not!!!!
These folks surely are not advocating that as long as the tissue, parts and other harvestings are free.....it is OK?

Aren't you missing the whole point of the immorality and corruptness involved?

I object to the term harvesting as it attempts to hide or even legitimize the fact that unborn children are being slaughtered to collect tissue and body parts.

I do not care whether you are black or white or some other color. I do not care what your political alignment is or not. Most people of reasonable intelligence will all side with the fact we do not kill innocents to get their parts with no more regard than slaughtering chickens or beef, etc.

Maybe for the supporters they need to be there to witness the butchering of a new born into parts like so many cuts of meat. Maybe, just MAYBE if they had to be there to watch, they might see the horror of the situation that is being smoothed over by the politics.

Shame on all who would be in favor of the continuation of the butchering process as well as the federal funding.

Butcher:

A butcher is a person who may slaughter animals (fetus), dress their flesh, sell their meat or do any combination of these three tasks.[1] They may prepare standard cuts of (fetus) meat, poultry, fish,[citation needed] and shellfish[citation needed] for sale in retail or wholesale food establishments. A butcher may be employed by (Planned Parenthood), supermarkets, grocery stores, butcher shops and fish markets, slaughter house, or may be self-employed.[2]

I took the liberty of including the current subject in it's real terms above instead of the cleaned up, sanitized, hise the weenie jargon of the supporters.

Abortion is a legal constitutionally protected right! That is the current law!!!

You might believe differently which is protected under freedom of religion however as you are afforded this right but we also have the right to be free from your religion!

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: Its just so amazing how misunderstood progressives and progressive organization have been. There is nothing to hide behind Fast & furious, the IRS politically targeting of conservative groups, Benghazi, Clinton Charitable Foundation Secretary of State personal server, Planed Parenthood's profit maker....ad nauseam.

Tell a lie three times and it becomes a truth. Delay ignore hedge but never never comply to rules of laws, production of documents and truthfully answering interrogatories

Its not only Hillary who is a liar it appears the majority of Democratic Party. I guess Hillary comes by her deficits honestly

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We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

Originally Posted by Guest

We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

Gee....I thought Benghazi worked well.

We found out that the Secy of State had her own server unbeknown to the President of the United States. Would never have known that without these hearings.

Had Secy Clinton commit to a few things that will haunt her in the general elections season...a number of differing stories, etc.

Didn't see that on Fox at all. Gee....it was on all the channels, don't you know !!

By the way, my experience is that people who blame a friggin television network for all the ills of the world are just lost....Facts are Facts...only difference between all the networks is which they present and in what context. They ALL report the facts. Geez

Originally Posted by Guest

Abortion is a legal constitutionally protected right! That is the current law!!!

You might believe differently which is protected under freedom of religion however as you are afforded this right but we also have the right to be free from your religion!

Are you OK? You appear to be very distraught and hysterical. Did anyone suggest that Abortion is illegal? Maybe I missed that part. Was this an issue regarding abortion? Maybe I missed that part too. I believe the issue that might/might conceivably be related to the issue is the selling of baby body parts. And that is barely relative, considering that the killer mumbled something about "no more body parts" or something. This guy is mentally disturbed and will probably be found innocent due to insanity when he goes to court. No one is going to charge him with terrorism.

I wonder where you got the association of abortion and then the religion stuff. Yes, you are free from religion, but religion is still going to be there. So far, in this not yet communist country, freedom OF religion is still constitutional. It's not yet banned.

Yes, you are perfectly within legal boundaries to kill unborn babies by law. That will be eventually judged between you and GOD. However, it is still unlawful to sell baby body parts. So, eventually someone from PP is going to mess up and there will be sufficient evidence to prove their culpability in court. I find it very interesting that you feel compelled to justify selling body parts. I guess not everyone has a sense of morals. But, that too is between you and GOD. And no, I am not forcing my religion on you. I am just making an observation, and sympathizing with your plight. My conscience is clear.

I do not believe that the killer had an agenda. I believe he was deranged. His neighbors said that he told them that he worked for the gov and that they were spying on him and trying to get his secrets. His neighbors said he was to "be avoided." He was a peeping Tom and an animal abuser. He is registered to vote as a woman. That does not make for a sane person. I would joke and suggest that he is probably a liberal but you would probably take it seriously and cry foul.

Originally Posted by Guest

We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

You're kidding right? Are you really that naive or just baiting? Will you blame those same hearings for her election loss?

Originally Posted by Guest

We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

FOX thanks you liberals for helping them become the number one cable news network in the world. Without the assistance of liberals it would never have been accomplished.

Originally Posted by Guest

Several have posted how this terrorist was not a Christian, not affiliated or whatever, apparently to diffuse any suggestion that fundamental Christianity could have motivated him. Because of course any terrorist action by any Muslim should, by the view of many, be justification for an effort to wipe out all Muslim worship in this country and we therefore must be clear that using that logic, if this man is a fundamentalist Christian we would be compelled to wipe out all Christian worship in America.
Well here you are, the first evidence:

People who have known or met Dear say he wasn’t a regular churchgoer. But they also report that he believed devoutly in the Bible and that he claimed to have read it “cover to cover.” In an online forum, Dear apparently spoke of Jesus and the “end times.” He painted or posted crosses on at least three of his homes.

There you go, fundamentalism in all faiths is the problem. Not the faith itself, but the extreme interpretation of its precepts, often to the exclusion of its gentler, more peaceful and inclusive and representative of social justice and tolerance of the larger faith community. So just as I would not condemn all Christianity for this man, I will not condemn all Islam for some of their fundamentalist radicals.

From where do you get this "evidence"? Can't seem to find this in ANY news article anywhere.

Originally Posted by Guest

Gee....I thought Benghazi worked well.

We found out that the Secy of State had her own server unbeknown to the President of the United States. Would never have known that without these hearings.

Had Secy Clinton commit to a few things that will haunt her in the general elections season...a number of differing stories, etc.

Didn't see that on Fox at all. Gee....it was on all the channels, don't you know !!

By the way, my experience is that people who blame a friggin television network for all the ills of the world are just lost....Facts are Facts...only difference between all the networks is which they present and in what context. They ALL report the facts. Geez

Then you watched a different 11 hour hearing the rest of us did.

Originally Posted by Guest

Then you watched a different 11 hour hearing the rest of us did.

Not sure how to tell you this but the 11 hours you allude to was ONE day of many and one witness of many.

How do you think the secret server was discovered ? By this committee !!

Originally Posted by Guest

Are you OK? You appear to be very distraught and hysterical. Did anyone suggest that Abortion is illegal? Maybe I missed that part. Was this an issue regarding abortion? Maybe I missed that part too. I believe the issue that might/might conceivably be related to the issue is the selling of baby body parts. And that is barely relative, considering that the killer mumbled something about "no more body parts" or something. This guy is mentally disturbed and will probably be found innocent due to insanity when he goes to court. No one is going to charge him with terrorism.

I wonder where you got the association of abortion and then the religion stuff. Yes, you are free from religion, but religion is still going to be there. So far, in this not yet communist country, freedom OF religion is still constitutional. It's not yet banned.

Yes, you are perfectly within legal boundaries to kill unborn babies by law. That will be eventually judged between you and GOD. However, it is still unlawful to sell baby body parts. So, eventually someone from PP is going to mess up and there will be sufficient evidence to prove their culpability in court. I find it very interesting that you feel compelled to justify selling body parts. I guess not everyone has a sense of morals. But, that too is between you and GOD. And no, I am not forcing my religion on you. I am just making an observation, and sympathizing with your plight. My conscience is clear.

I do not believe that the killer had an agenda. I believe he was deranged. His neighbors said that he told them that he worked for the gov and that they were spying on him and trying to get his secrets. His neighbors said he was to "be avoided." He was a peeping Tom and an animal abuser. He is registered to vote as a woman. That does not make for a sane person. I would joke and suggest that he is probably a liberal but you would probably take it seriously and cry foul.

I really can't follow this post... In my home town and where I now have a summer home a man walked into PP, in my neighborhood, and started shooting killing 3 and wounding 9.
I have never killed a baby so there will be no judging on that.
Nobody sold baby parts, the women donated the parts to science the charges were for shipping.

You have the right to freedom of religion but the rest of us have the right to be free from your religion. For example if you voted against any marriage equality laws then you attempted to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

Obviously you don't know much about Colorado Springs or you would know this PP is one of the most protested in the US and therefore was granted the right to a buffer zone by the courts due to the violence that had occurred.

This was an attack of terror, the man targeted PP brought an assault weapon which is designed to kill people and the rest is history.

Less than 30 days ago Colorado Springs suffered another mass shooting with 4 day. I did not claim that it was a terrorist attack because that was a deranged guy who just walked down a street and started shooting randomly.

PP is a political target, the shooter talked about body parts, think the video and killed 3 people. That equals a terrorist attack.

As from him registering as a women when I registered to vote botched my name

Originally Posted by Guest

Then you watched a different 11 hour hearing the rest of us did.

I guess I watched a different one than you also. Of course, they probably didn't show it on the liberal media outlets that you watch. Or, they edited it so that she wouldn't look so bad for your type.

Originally Posted by Guest

I really can't follow this post... In my home town and where I now have a summer home a man walked into PP, in my neighborhood, and started shooting killing 3 and wounding 9.
I have never killed a baby so there will be no judging on that.
Nobody sold baby parts, the women donated the parts to science the charges were for shipping.

You have the right to freedom of religion but the rest of us have the right to be free from your religion. For example if you voted against any marriage equality laws then you attempted to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

Obviously you don't know much about Colorado Springs or you would know this PP is one of the most protested in the US and therefore was granted the right to a buffer zone by the courts due to the violence that had occurred.

This was an attack of terror, the man targeted PP brought an assault weapon which is designed to kill people and the rest is history.

Less than 30 days ago Colorado Springs suffered another mass shooting with 4 day. I did not claim that it was a terrorist attack because that was a deranged guy who just walked down a street and started shooting randomly.

PP is a political target, the shooter talked about body parts, think the video and killed 3 people. That equals a terrorist attack.

As from him registering as a women when I registered to vote botched my name

You really ought to watch or read other news sources so that you won't embarrass yourself with such ludicrous statements as they only charged for shipping of the body parts. That's why when asked how much they wanted for the body parts, the woman responded enough to buy a Lamborghini or something like that. I saw the videos and even if it wasn't ALL the videos, it was enough. Just because the court won't allow the videos because they weren't complete, does not make them any less culpable. You are so naive.

Regarding the religion aspect, you are way off base. It is the gov that is attempting to impose on religious belief, not the other way around. The gov is imposing itself into religious marriage, birth control, business, etc. You are once again, way off base. Nice twist on reality though.

Another myth you are attempting to spread is that the killer had an assault weapon. He had a hunting rifle. He did NOT have an assault weapon. More liberal hysteria.

PP being a protest sight is no big deal. They all are, or a lot of them are. That is part of what happens when the majority of America doesn't approve of baby killing and selling of body parts. And we can argue that all day and get nowhere. It's a moot point as far as abortion is concerned, but eventually they will get caught selling the parts for profit and go to jail, where they belong. It's still against the law.

So, other than the fact that a deranged man killed some folks at PP, you have no evidence that this is terrorism, other than your hysteria and your twist on the definition. When/if you find out that he/she (transgender voter registration) might be a democrat, it will all die down. As long as you can blame it on religion or push gun control, it will be a major terrorist deal, instead of what it really is, mass killing spree.

So, please go back and do your OWN research and not rely on what Huffington Post told you. Then come back and have an honest debate on the subject.

The man was not a Christian
The man was not a Republican
The man believed he worked for the gov and that they were spying on him and trying to get his "secrets."
The man is registered as an unaffiliated woman voter
His neighbors said he was "to be avoided."
He lived in a shack or trailer without electricity
He was unwashed, unshaven and appeared disoriented.
He mumbled " no more body parts" when he was arrested.
He was arrested for peeping tom and animal abuse

He was/is deranged. He was not a terrorist. Not all killers are terrorists. You can call it a day of terror, but you are stretching it to call it terrorism. His action does not fit the complete definition of the term "terrorism" no matter what the media tries to make it.

And no one from Planned Parenthood was targeted. So, if he had a motive at all, I guess we will just have to wait and see what he says.

When it turned out that Pennsylvania late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell was guilty of even worse butchery than the average abortionist, in that he (inter alia) also killed the children who survived his attempted abortions as opposed to merely those who didn’t, the media was infamously disinterested. Even when it turned out that fully grown women had died as a result of Gosnell’s gross indifference to human life, the media could not even be bothered to attend his trial. Even when it turned out that he victimized poor women in particular, refusing to provide them adequate anesthesia for their procedures in the name of penny pinching, the “media” section of his courtroom was empty.

The media defended their indifference to Gosnell’s grisly crimes and his subsequent conviction on multiple homicide offenses by calling it a “local crime story” which was of course not worth their interest.

Last Friday, a man named Robert Dear got involved in a shootout at a strip mall in Colorado Springs that happened to contain a Planned Parenthood. Three people were killed, including one police officer who was responding to the scene. Here is what we know about the shooter:
1. He lived alone and apparently completely without electricity;
2. One neighbor claims that Dear once tried to give him a pamphlet that was opposed to Obama, although what that pamphlet might have read or even the general gist was we don’t know since the neighbor by his own admission just used it as kindling for his fire;
3. The few people who did regularly talk to him said that he was not religious and did not ever discuss abortion; and
4. He showed up in court today looking, by all accounts, in a manner consistent with accounts of police at the scene; that is to say, in the manner of a man who is not in full control of his reasoning faculties;
5. Activist journalist Wesley Lowery, whose mistakes in coverage during the Ferguson fiasco are too numerous to recount here claimed on twitter to have heard from a Planned Parenthood employee that a man who lived in a cabin with no electricity mentioned “no more Baby Parts” as he was escorted from the premises, indicating a surprising familiarity with an exclusively Internet phenomenon for a man with no electricity. Later when Lowery wrote his actual story for the Washington Post, the Planned Parenthood employee had become an “unnamed law enforcement source.”
6. In subsequent media reports about the story, they referenced an “unnamed law enforcement source” who had heard the “Baby Parts” remark, without being tremendously clear whether they were reference an independent source of their own or just passing on Lowery’s remarks (knowing what I know of the media, a good amount of the latter occurred);
7. Now virtually every media outlet is reporting as fact that Deal made the “Baby Parts” remarks in spite of the fact that literally no eyewitness has come forward by name and claimed to have heard this.

On the basis of these facts, the media has convicted this guy of being a card-carrying Operation Rescue who was at the clinic specifically for the purpose of killing an abortion provider – which, if he had succeeded, would have made him the second person this entire century to do so.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the most insidious form of media bias comes in terms of what the media decides to cover at all, not how the media decides to cover the story du jour. Definitely, there’s a lot to complain about in terms of the way the media is covering this story, but the main complaint should be that this is a story the media is covering as a big deal, or as a bigger deal than any of the several hundred tragic homicides that occurred elsewhere in America last Friday. If the suspected motivation for the killer had been that he was a radical Muslim, or that he was an abortionist who wanted to operate without reasonable oversight from the state (which is to say, pretty much all abortionists, as far as I can tell), they would have instead done their best to either bury the story all together or softpedal his supposed motivations, or (what would be eminently reasonable in this case) be much more cautious about even stating that the Planned Parenthood was the definitive target for his attacks.

But that’s the way it goes if the liberal sacred cow of abortion is even possibly under attack – magically, a story that would be described as either a “local crime story” or an incident of “workplace violence” becomes instead a “major story that every network will cover ceaselessly for three days.”

By Leon H. wolf (Diary) RedState 12/1/15

With such tragedies both the media and its readers should be honest with themselves in order to be effective at eliminating such societal problems . However this nation is so deeply ideologically divided we'd rather be right than to do the right and responsible thing....and a nation divided.......

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Originally Posted by Guest

When it turned out that Pennsylvania late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell was guilty of even worse butchery than the average abortionist, in that he (inter alia) also killed the children who survived his attempted abortions as opposed to merely those who didn’t, the media was infamously disinterested. Even when it turned out that fully grown women had died as a result of Gosnell’s gross indifference to human life, the media could not even be bothered to attend his trial. Even when it turned out that he victimized poor women in particular, refusing to provide them adequate anesthesia for their procedures in the name of penny pinching, the “media” section of his courtroom was empty.

The media defended their indifference to Gosnell’s grisly crimes and his subsequent conviction on multiple homicide offenses by calling it a “local crime story” which was of course not worth their interest.

Last Friday, a man named Robert Dear got involved in a shootout at a strip mall in Colorado Springs that happened to contain a Planned Parenthood. Three people were killed, including one police officer who was responding to the scene. Here is what we know about the shooter:
1. He lived alone and apparently completely without electricity;
2. One neighbor claims that Dear once tried to give him a pamphlet that was opposed to Obama, although what that pamphlet might have read or even the general gist was we don’t know since the neighbor by his own admission just used it as kindling for his fire;
3. The few people who did regularly talk to him said that he was not religious and did not ever discuss abortion; and
4. He showed up in court today looking, by all accounts, in a manner consistent with accounts of police at the scene; that is to say, in the manner of a man who is not in full control of his reasoning faculties;
5. Activist journalist Wesley Lowery, whose mistakes in coverage during the Ferguson fiasco are too numerous to recount here claimed on twitter to have heard from a Planned Parenthood employee that a man who lived in a cabin with no electricity mentioned “no more Baby Parts” as he was escorted from the premises, indicating a surprising familiarity with an exclusively Internet phenomenon for a man with no electricity. Later when Lowery wrote his actual story for the Washington Post, the Planned Parenthood employee had become an “unnamed law enforcement source.”
6. In subsequent media reports about the story, they referenced an “unnamed law enforcement source” who had heard the “Baby Parts” remark, without being tremendously clear whether they were reference an independent source of their own or just passing on Lowery’s remarks (knowing what I know of the media, a good amount of the latter occurred);
7. Now virtually every media outlet is reporting as fact that Deal made the “Baby Parts” remarks in spite of the fact that literally no eyewitness has come forward by name and claimed to have heard this.

On the basis of these facts, the media has convicted this guy of being a card-carrying Operation Rescue who was at the clinic specifically for the purpose of killing an abortion provider – which, if he had succeeded, would have made him the second person this entire century to do so.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the most insidious form of media bias comes in terms of what the media decides to cover at all, not how the media decides to cover the story du jour. Definitely, there’s a lot to complain about in terms of the way the media is covering this story, but the main complaint should be that this is a story the media is covering as a big deal, or as a bigger deal than any of the several hundred tragic homicides that occurred elsewhere in America last Friday. If the suspected motivation for the killer had been that he was a radical Muslim, or that he was an abortionist who wanted to operate without reasonable oversight from the state (which is to say, pretty much all abortionists, as far as I can tell), they would have instead done their best to either bury the story all together or softpedal his supposed motivations, or (what would be eminently reasonable in this case) be much more cautious about even stating that the Planned Parenthood was the definitive target for his attacks.

But that’s the way it goes if the liberal sacred cow of abortion is even possibly under attack – magically, a story that would be described as either a “local crime story” or an incident of “workplace violence” becomes instead a “major story that every network will cover ceaselessly for three days.”

By Leon H. wolf (Diary) RedState 12/1/15

With such tragedies both the media and its readers should be honest with themselves in order to be effective at eliminating such societal problems . However this nation is so deeply ideologically divided we'd rather be right than to do the right and responsible thing....and a nation divided.......

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