Originally Posted by Guest

Are you serious?

Coming from a supporter of the guy who cheats small contractors because he can and has filed bankruptcy numerous times, versus finding a way to protect an entire industry of which millions depend upon...is beyond being a hypocritical partisan hack.

Which means you've just proved my meme correct...thanks.





You're very welcome.

That's your response? That's it? In your mind Trump is worse so that justifies Obama's screwing the bond holders in the GM deal.

Originally Posted by Guest

Smartass remark with no actual facts. Suggest maybe I could teach you, although unlike you, I make no bravado claims. I ASKED you for a link....you have none. End of story.

About the only thing you can say, is this poster is consistent... with their inability to back up their rumors and lies.

Originally Posted by Guest

That's your response? That's it? In your mind Trump is worse so that justifies Obama's screwing of bond holders in the GM deal.

I don't even know why I bother with you, since you don't seem to be able to understand even simple things...but I'll try one more time.

How many other American citizens besides just the bondholders (not to mention the country's economy)...would have been devastated had GM not been bailed out?

I get that there are still people that are beyond pizzed that Obama's stewardship saved millions of jobs and that GM paid back most of the loans...but it's time to admit that it was the right thing to do.

Especially in light of those same people now lauding a guy who stiffs small business people...because he knows they don't have the resources to fight back.

That's simply being an azzhole bully...no more, no less.

First thing Obama did along with his stimulus was to cause the lay off of thousands of auto dealership employees. I guess liberals think that was cool, but those families didn't think so. He did such a great job with the GM deal. Wow, how he didn't get tar and feathered and run out of D.C. is anyone's guess.

Liberals are desperate to find something to gig Trump on. Well, don't worry because he will make mistakes. You don't make mistakes unless you are doing something, and Trump will be doing a lot of something.

SO, you liberal losers keep trying because even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't even know why I bother with you, since you don't seem to be able to understand even simple things...but I'll try one more time.

How many other American citizens besides just the bondholders (not to mention the country's economy)...would have been devastated had GM not been bailed out?

I get that there are still people that are beyond pizzed that Obama's stewardship saved millions of jobs and that GM paid back most of the loans...but it's time to admit that it was the right thing to do.

Especially in light of those same people now lauding a guy who stiffs small business people...because he knows they don't have the resources to fight back.

That's simply being an azzhole bully...no more, no less.

Originally Posted by Guest

First thing Obama did along with his stimulus was to cause the lay off of thousands of auto dealership employees. I guess liberals think that was cool, but those families didn't think so. He did such a great job with the GM deal. Wow, how he didn't get tar and feathered and run out of D.C. is anyone's guess.

Liberals are desperate to find something to gig Trump on. Well, don't worry because he will make mistakes. You don't make mistakes unless you are doing something, and Trump will be doing a lot of something.

SO, you liberal losers keep trying because even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Could you supply more detail on your post please, as it does not make sense.

First, how can anyone "gig" Trump. He hasn't done anything yet. Not a negative, he just is not Presidentet.

Auto dealers and employment follow the auto industry...no ? Auto industry was dying.

Not defending anyone, just curious if you could speak to the point you are making.

If you are simply disregarding the loss of IRAs, etc and saying auto dealerships suffered more, you will get profound disagreement. Millions of people working today who thought they would be retired and millions more flat out will never ever retire.

I really suggest you do some reading...what happened in 2008 was horrible, and devastating to all aspects of this economy.

Originally Posted by Guest

Could you supply more detail on your post please, as it does not make sense.

First, how can anyone "gig" Trump. He hasn't done anything yet. Not a negative, he just is not Presidentet.

Auto dealers and employment follow the auto industry...no ? Auto industry was dying.

Not defending anyone, just curious if you could speak to the point you are making.

If you are simply disregarding the loss of IRAs, etc and saying auto dealerships suffered more, you will get profound disagreement. Millions of people working today who thought they would be retired and millions more flat out will never ever retire.

I really suggest you do some reading...what happened in 2008 was horrible, and devastating to all aspects of this economy.

TARP audit claims Obama admin destroyed “tens of thousands” of jobs in dealer closures << Hot Air

Originally Posted by Guest

TARP audit claims Obama admin destroyed “tens of thousands” of jobs in dealer closures << Hot Air

Fair enough if the opinion is correct.

As Someone said here...mistakes will happen.

It was a horrible time, and behind us. Let's look forward and hope Trump is able to pull off what he says.

Originally Posted by Guest

Fair enough if the opinion is correct.

As Someone said here...mistakes will happen.

It was a horrible time, and behind us. Let's look forward and hope Trump is able to pull off what he says.

Something like 30,000 jobs were lost when Obama had dealerships closed.

I'm just going to assume that you will look it up, since you questioned it. I'm not going to be snide with you, but I think you may have jumped the gun when you replied to me. A lot of folks have conveniently or just plain forgot a lot of what happened in the first year of Obama.

Originally Posted by Guest

Something like 30,000 jobs were lost when Obama had dealerships closed.

I'm just going to assume that you will look it up, since you questioned it. I'm not going to be snide with you, but I think you may have jumped the gun when you replied to me. A lot of folks have conveniently or just plain forgot a lot of what happened in the first year of Obama.

No sniping necessary.

If, and I say IF because you reference that Malik's site whose career has been spearheading the Tea Party attacks, sometimes accurate, sometimes not.

Point is ONE job is important, and all I am saying...what this country faced in 2008!was of epic proportions...I mean epic and to this day, we still have repercussions. Did everything Obama do work...he'll no, and he will and has said that. It was the biggest economic low point since the Great Depression.

But again, not sure what point you are trying to make. Obama did not cause the depression..that is a fact.

I just do not understand this discussion.

Why are we not talking about the future ? Obama did NOT cause the economic depression, and we are better off for Trump than we were when Obama took office. Why would you even want to debate that..NOT debatable.

Let's watch and see what changes Trump makes and hope we soar.

Originally Posted by Guest

That's your response? That's it? In your mind Trump is worse so that justifies Obama's screwing the bond holders in the GM deal.

Are you so sure it was Obama and not Bush?

Originally Posted by Guest

Are you so sure it was Obama and not Bush?

It was the SYSTEM...the government system of theft and corruption. The "system" GAVE the banks over $ trillion.

Obama had the watch, he COULD have stopped it. Bond and shareholders were ROBBED by the government who took "their company" and GAVE it to others.

"The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009 at approximately 8:00 am EST. June 1, 2009 was the deadline to supply an acceptable viability plan to the U.S. Treasury. The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt.[6][7] [8][9][10]

After the Chapter 11 filing, effective Monday, June 8, 2009, GM was removed from the Dow Jones Industrial Average and replaced by Cisco Systems. From Tuesday 2 June, old GM stock has traded Over the Counter (Pink Sheets/OTCBB), initially under the symbol GMGMQ[11] and currently under the symbol MTLQQ.

On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11 reorganization.[12][13] As ranked by total assets, GM's bankruptcy marks one of the largest corporate Chapter 11 bankruptcies in U.S. history. The Chapter 11 filing was the fourth-largest in U.S. history, following Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.[14] A new entity with the backing of the United States Treasury was formed to acquire profitable assets, under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, with the new company planning to issue an initial public offering (IPO) of stock in 2010.[15] The remaining pre-petition creditors claims are paid from the former corporation's assets."

General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by Guest

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.


Grace Gantner here.

Originally Posted by Guest

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

Marsha? Having more hot flashes?

Originally Posted by Guest

This is exactly what Obama did in his first year, miss his morning intelligence briefings. What's the big deal? After all, when we complained about it, you all said all was good, that it didn't matter. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now. But, if you need to act out because you lost we'll understand. At least WE waited until Obie was sworn in before we started throwing stones at him for missing his briefings.

absolutely FALSE.