This would kill two birds. One voter fraud and two, food stamp (check card) fraud. The food stamp system needs to be tightened up.

I suspect it would/could have an impact on the myriad of immigration issues as well (hence another political reason to not support the proposal....eh?).

btk

Originally Posted by CMANN

He is the highest law man in the land. To whom do we report him? The lier?

Good point

Originally Posted by CMANN
"He is the highest law man in the land. To whom do we report him? The lier?"


CMANN,

Why would you be reporting AG Holder to GEORGE "JUNIOR" BUSH? Of course, that is who you would have to be referring to as The Liar. (Sadaam has weapons of mass destruction, invade Iraq for lower oil prices, "Mission Accomplished", etc)

Originally Posted by buggyone

Originally Posted by CMANN
"He is the highest law man in the land. To whom do we report him? The lier?"


CMANN,

Why would you be reporting AG Holder to GEORGE "JUNIOR" BUSH? Of course, that is who you would have to be referring to as The Liar. (Sadaam has weapons of mass destruction, invade Iraq for lower oil prices, "Mission Accomplished", etc)

Hey politicians, lips moving........

For those that think it's ok to not show picture id maybe rec centers should just do the same or maybe airports,trains and other place where you must show picture id.Voter fraud does happen Im from Chicago has happened their even when they had to show id.The dead would often vote.

Originally Posted by buggyone

James O'Keefe is a conservative activist who has made a reputation for himself of misrepresenting the truth on many occasions. One would be very foolish to believe any video provided by him or his organization.

I would think that posters would check out their sources before posting on this forum.

James O'Keefe is following in the footsteps of the Late Mike Wallace who practiced similiar journalism on 60 Minutes and earlier shows.

Originally Posted by Bavarian

James O'Keefe is following in the footsteps of the Late Mike Wallace who practiced similiar journalism on 60 Minutes and earlier shows.

Mike Wallace was feared as a journalist. James O'Keefe seems to get more laughter than fear.
More akin to Candid Camera than 60 Minutes.

News Desk: James O’Keefe Still Hasn’t Found His Voter Fraud : The New Yorker

Seems to me that laughing at the possibility of voter fraud is ....well..suspicious I suppose.

I find that possibility chillIng and am amazed at anyone who does find it funny.

There may be genuine reasons to have a National ID system, but it would have to be phased in over a reasonable length of time. Many of my Democratic/Liberal friends may have a problem with this, but I don't. In my opinion, fraudulent voting is not a serious issue. To hurry it up is a serious issue. I will be opened minded about it and this is an opportunity for my mind to be changed by facts. Please link recent (last two decades) credible data by state that says otherwise. By credible data, I not talking about some one's opinion. Documented facts would do just fine. MSNBC nor Fox need to apply!

The real problem appears to be winning an election this year for the Conservatives/GOP. If your candidates aren't viable, keeping Democratic/Liberal voters away from the polls is a major benefit toward that end. If it can't be won on it's merits - cheat.

Xavier

Originally Posted by djplong

As long as you ensure there are measures for the poor to have VALID access to whatever kind of Voter ID card you're talking about, I have no problem with this.

Don't disenfranchise those who shouldn't be and then you're only turning those away who SHOULD be turned away.

I agree.
JJ

'X', I was fine with your post and the need for "facts".

Then you went and spoiled it with partisan, talking point opposition slandering. You take a general condition (voter fraud) that has been known to exist for years for every election no matter whether R or D and then attempt to make it specific to facilitate the need for Republicans to turn voters away for the ridiculous reasons you list:

"The real problem appears to be winning an election this year for the Conservatives/GOP. If your candidates aren't viable, keeping Democratic/Liberal voters away from the polls is a major benefit toward that end. If it can't be won on it's merits - cheat."

You usually maintain your support for your party and your beliefs without the usual slandering done so frequently by some of your compatriots. The back end of your post is really demeaning to your past style.

Without links and facts and what ever else you call for above. Can you reach a non partisan, business, common sense, R or D neutral opinion why YOU think voter ID is either a good idea or a bad idea.

The real issue is if in fact voter fraud no matter how much there is or insignificant, if the voter registration/ID at the polls streamlines the entire process and eliminates the opportunity for fraud.....why not do it.
Really try to think without a partisan bent. Problem solve like in school or at work where nobody ever needed to include a diatribe on party preference to make a point.

Ditto the above for any others that are trying to make a partisan banquet out of ham sandwich.

btk

Originally Posted by Xavier

There may be genuine reasons to have a National ID system, but it would have to be phased in over a reasonable length of time. Many of my Democratic/Liberal friends may have a problem with this, but I don't. In my opinion, fraudulent voting is not a serious issue. To hurry it up is a serious issue. I will be opened minded about it and this is an opportunity for my mind to be changed by facts. Please link recent (last two decades) credible data by state that says otherwise. By credible data, I not talking about some one's opinion. Documented facts would do just fine. MSNBC nor Fox need to apply!

The real problem appears to be winning an election this year for the Conservatives/GOP. If your candidates aren't viable, keeping Democratic/Liberal voters away from the polls is a major benefit toward that end. If it can't be won on it's merits - cheat.

Xavier

It is not new....been going on for about 8 years and now MOST states have some form of id requirements for voting and has not been hurried. It is pretty much voted on by the states in referendum (not sure if 100%)..Pennsylvania was the last state to pass this law.

Hard to KNOW for sure how much fraud....not something that folks will own up to for sure. Been reports for years, investigated and could not find strong enough evidence to support prosecution.

Listen, the time is very near where you will need a federal or state id anyway..for many other reasons and you can prevent just ONE case of somebody cheating with their vote, it is worth all the effort.

Here is an article that atually demonstrates voter fraud usinig Holder's name and surprise surprise Holder looks you straight in the face and essentially says "it ain't so"


Justice Downplays Stunt that Stole Holder's Vote

the link below for informational use, shows the map of the US color coded to show\
STRICT PHOTO
PHOTO
NON PHOTO
NO VOTER ID

Voter ID: State Requirements