1. Unless a person has no legitimate financial means of support, it is impossible to exist in this country.
2. States requiring Voter IDs will provide a free ID including access/travel to the issuing location.
3. I am constantly amazed by the number of people who get out the driver's seat of a vehicle, go into a store to buy tobacco or alcohol, then say they do not have proof of age.
4. Why do proponents have to "prove" illegal voting occurs? (Only the obtuse would deny it exists.) Why not be proactive by doing a Barney Fife? "Nip it, nip it in the bud."

Originally Posted by Xavier

A 2006 report of a five year probe put out of the US Justice Department (Bush's Justice Department) found a total of 53 voter fraud convictions nationwide. That's 53 over a five year period. This is what I'm talking about when I ask for links for credible data.

It's 5MB file: Click Here

Xavier

Those are the one's that got caught...what about all the others who got away with it?

Originally Posted by Jim&Marge

1. Unless a person has no legitimate financial means of support, it is impossible to exist in this country.
2. States requiring Voter IDs will provide a free ID including access/travel to the issuing location.
3. I am constantly amazed by the number of people who get out the driver's seat of a vehicle, go into a store to buy tobacco or alcohol, then say they do not have proof of age.
4. Why do proponents have to "prove" illegal voting occurs? (Only the obtuse would deny it exists.) Why not be proactive by doing a Barney Fife? "Nip it, nip it in the bud."

Originally Posted by Xavier

I just love these gotcha things. About as useful as a pimple on one's behind. Since he never voted, I guess we'll never know if he would have been arrested. Republican activists love this approach. <yawn>

Xavier

Hi Xavier: I avoid the "is so" is not" game playing. so let me pose this scenario.

America today is so security conscious there is not much we can do buy or go that doesn't require identification. so exactly how many people do you really think are inconvienced by presenting a photo ID card. Say what you will or will what you say but it is critical to America,Americans and those countries affected by the presidential outcome that a fair clean and legal election take place. It surprises me that liberals who have at the front of their agenda "fairness" can't seem to grasp the need for "fairness in our election process. By demanding photo ID's we satisify everyone that dead people and dogs didn't vote and that every American who wanted to vote did so but only once.

It's only the liberals who are against proving who you are when you want to vote in an election.

I find this very instructive.

I also have to laugh heartily when proponents of having people prove who they are are called "extremists". Is that hilarious, or what?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

It's only the liberals who are against proving who you are when you want to vote in an election.

I find this very instructive.

I also have to laugh heartily when proponents of having people prove who they are are called "extremists". Is that hilarious, or what?

Richielion: Liberals are even creative in their opposition. I mean their excuses are so lame, Geeezzz. I'm done with this thread

It's a villainous world. I don't see why some have a beef with the picture ID. Hiding something would be my guess.

Why don't the Republicans just admit it? The only reason they want voter ID, and I do mean the only reason, is to suppress voting in their favor. They can wrap themselves around the ridiculous notion that voter fraud is rampant and they want to solve a problem that doesn't even exist all they want but their motives are clear.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Why don't the Republicans just admit it? The only reason they want voter ID, and I do mean the only reason, is to suppress voting in their favor. They can wrap themselves around the ridiculous notion that voter fraud is rampant and they want to solve a problem that doesn't even exist all they want but their motives are clear.

That would be hard to do for an honest person. Why should I lie to appease the left?

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Why don't the Republicans just admit it? The only reason they want voter ID, and I do mean the only reason, is to suppress voting in their favor. They can wrap themselves around the ridiculous notion that voter fraud is rampant and they want to solve a problem that doesn't even exist all they want but their motives are clear.

The only thing I would admit is that your post is total unadulterated b.s.

Why don't you admit that the only reason you're against voter i.d. is so that people who aren't legally qualified to vote can do so?

There is no other reason this this most important of all public functions is the only thing that you insist shouldn't require you to prove who you are.

Why do you want them to be able to vote?

If you say that's not the reason, I say your pants on on fire.

P.S. If what you're saying is that people who are legally not able to vote, do indeed get to vote, they would vote for Democrats. Why don't you just come out and say it. Just be honest about it.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Why don't the Republicans just admit it? The only reason they want voter ID, and I do mean the only reason, is to suppress voting in their favor. They can wrap themselves around the ridiculous notion that voter fraud is rampant and they want to solve a problem that doesn't even exist all they want but their motives are clear.

No Dale, you have the situation quite backwards. The reason Republicans support voter id is to ensure that the principle each man/women gets one vote and only one vote. The reason Democrats oppose it is to continue ballot box stuffing and illegal voting. The only examples we have seen of voter intimidation have been those done by Democrats. The only examples of illegal registration are those done by Democrats. The only examples of forged signatures are again those by Democrats. Please tell me why you are so opposed to the idea of one and only one vote for each person.

I would just like to hear ANY rational explanation from those against voter ID why they think it is a bad or not a good idea.

PLEASE, PLEASE if it is humanly possible see if the answer can be rational and not partisan. I know it is a lot to ask. And also that you may not be allowed to do so!!

But let's see if one is willing to give it a try.

btk

Originally Posted by Xavier

There may be genuine reasons to have a National ID system, but it would have to be phased in over a reasonable length of time. Many of my Democratic/Liberal friends may have a problem with this, but I don't. In my opinion, fraudulent voting is not a serious issue. To hurry it up is a serious issue. I will be opened minded about it and this is an opportunity for my mind to be changed by facts. Please link recent (last two decades) credible data by state that says otherwise. By credible data, I not talking about some one's opinion. Documented facts would do just fine. MSNBC nor Fox need to apply!

The real problem appears to be winning an election this year for the Conservatives/GOP. If your candidates aren't viable, keeping Democratic/Liberal voters away from the polls is a major benefit toward that end. If it can't be won on it's merits - change the rules (I exchanged "change the rules" with the word "cheat").

Xavier

Originally Posted by Xavier

A 2006 report of a five year probe put out of the US Justice Department (Bush's Justice Department) found a total of 53 voter fraud convictions nationwide. That's 53 over a five year period. This is what I'm talking about when I ask for links for credible data.

It's 5MB file: Click Here

Xavier

Originally Posted by Xavier

How many of the states that have or are now pushing through these potentially voter disenfranchising ID laws have Democrat Governors? Knowing this information might just give you the idea of why some are looking at their ulterior motives.

53 convictions nationwide over a 5 year period! (see my post above) Is it right to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands to catch the small number that break the rules? Yeah, we don't want them to get away with it, but can't we be reasonable and put together something nationwide in a well thought out plan?

Xavier

Originally Posted by Xavier

I find absolutely nothing laughable about the 2000 or 2004 Presidential elections. I do find it totally laughable when some dipstick goes out of his way to punk someone to enhance their political stance when the problem is so minuscule.

Xavier

Xavier

Xavier, you may be right that it would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands and I will agree with you if you can introduce me to even five of hundreds of thousands. That shouldn't be too difficult if what you say is true. There must be at least 50,000 here in Florida.

I don't get all Xavier's repostings. Nothing in anything he's saying explains why voter I.D. is a bad idea. Regardless of how many people have been convicted of voter fraud, the chance of voter fraud is there. Just as a bank won't cash your check without I.D. you should have to prove you are who you are to vote. It's the only thing that makes sense.