Originally Posted by BBQMan

No Dale, you have the situation quite backwards. The reason Republicans support voter id is to ensure that the principle each man/women gets one vote and only one vote. The reason Democrats oppose it is to continue ballot box stuffing and illegal voting. The only examples we have seen of voter intimidation have been those done by Democrats. The only examples of illegal registration are those done by Democrats. The only examples of forged signatures are again those by Democrats. Please tell me why you are so opposed to the idea of one and only one vote for each person.

It seems we disagree.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

It seems we disagree.

You say we disagreed and I concur. I believer in the principle of one person, one vote. You apparently do not.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

You say we disagreed and I concur. I believer in the principle of one person, one vote. You apparently do not.

No, I believe on one vote for one person. What I don't believe in is one party attempting to suppress voting to their advantage. But their will never be an admission on the part of Republicans as to their real motive so to argue is not worth it.

hmmmmnnnn, starting to look like they may not be allowed to respond without partisan banter!

btk

Lets see you need a id to bank,if your on any form of public aid,to travel and to drive and do just about anything.So who are these people that don't have any form id.I do not know 1 person with out it so wheres the problem?

In Florida one doesn't need ID to vote by mail. It's as simple as calling your elections office and requesting a mail-in ballot. The supervisors of election encourage everyone to vote by mail. It makes their jobs that much easier on election day.

the FL call in /mail routine pretty much demonstrates the problem trying to be solved beautifully!!

btk

IMHO I think early voting should be eliminated. I say this as someone who always votes early. I think absentee ballots should be for shut-ins only. Everybody knows when election day is. If you can't be in town to vote then you're out of luck. I know this is harsh and I'm ready for the arrows.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

No, I believe on one vote for one person. What I don't believe in is one party attempting to suppress voting to their advantage. But their will never be an admission on the part of Republicans as to their real motive so to argue is not worth it.

The Republican's real motive: only proven legally qualified people can vote.

The Democrat's real motive: let everyone vote without scrutiny.

You're welcome Dale.

Originally Posted by janmcn

We are lucky here in Florida that anyone who doesn't have a voter ID doesn't need one to vote by mail. All a person needs to do is call and request a mail in ballot. No ID required. I expect that churches, etc, will really be advocating to their parishiners to take advantage of the mail-in ballots.

Could I ask that you clarify your comment intent? I'm sure that you are not suggesting that churches would advocate voter fraud? That would be a very unkind, let alone uncalled for statement. Surely that was not your intent.

Richie I like the guidelines you provided but would modify the presentation ever so slightly:

For voter voter ID: only proven legally qualified people can vote.

Against voter ID: let everyone vote without scrutiny (as many times as possible).

How could ANYBODY be against it?

btk

Originally Posted by BaylorBear

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Could I ask that you clarify your comment intent? I'm sure that you are not suggesting that churches would advocate voter fraud? That would be a very unkind, let alone uncalled for statement. Surely that was not your intent.

My intent was to say that elderly African-American people who can't get a birth certificate because they were not allowed to be born in a hospital because of their race and therefore cannot get a voter ID, have the option of voting by mail in Florida. These people have been voting for years, but were never required before to have a government issued photo ID.

Originally Posted by janmcn

My intent was to say that elderly African-American people who can't get a birth certificate because they were not allowed to be born in a hospital because of their race and therefore cannot get a voter ID, have the option of voting by mail in Florida. These people have been voting for years, but were never required before to have a government issued photo ID.

janmcn Really! You believe that an "elderly" person having lived that long hadn't secured a photo ID card. Really!

As I dwell on this subject, a few thoughts....

.....Last week, Obama’s home state of Illinois passed a law requiring government-issued photo identification for the purchase of industrial drain cleaners. NO outrage over this

.....Many grocery stores if not all require a photo Id to pay with a credit card.

....Airline traffic requires a photo id

....Buying alchol requires a photo ID

....You cannot apply for social services without a photo id (just learned this one)


That is one side of the picture...

Illegal immigrants are infamous for lying and defrauding the photo id requirements to get jobs and it is so prevelant that states are now passing strong laws to punish these folks. WHY would they not lie to vote ? It seems it is easier than buying something to unclog your drain or buy booze or apply for welfare.

Now put them all togther and you have a recipe for disaster

The democratic party and our government is concerned about folks being disinfranchised. They mention some specific cases. The money they spend, the democratic party, etc, to bus voters in and go house to house to take folks to the polls would for sure pay to assist those who need help to get an id..dont you think.

janmcn, The following are required to apply for Medicare benefits for identification purposes:

• your original birth certificate or other proof of birth [more info] (You may also submit a copy of your birth certificate certified by the issuing agency).;
• your original citizenship or naturalization papers [more info];
• a copy of your U.S. military service paper(s) (e.g., DD-214 - Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) if you had military service before 1968; [more info]; and
• a copy of your W-2 form(s) [more info] and/or self-employment tax return [more info] for last year.

With these you should be able to get a photo id. Are you telling me that these 'elderly African American people' have not received Social Security benefits? I will agree with you if you can introduce me to just five of these people. Otherwise, your argument does not hold water. This may seem stubborn, but I'm from Missouri and you have to show me.