Originally Posted by Pats2010

Did you at least view the video. Do you know the qur' an was written by one person? Did you know they want all the infidels eliminated?

Yeah, I looked at the video. You ARE aware that the Koran was *dictated* by Muhammed and *legend* has it that it wasn't until 22 years after the 'revelation' that anyone STARTED to write it down.

Check the history of it - it was an oral tradition for quite a while before the idea to 'compile it' and 'write it all down' took hold.

Originally Posted by djplong

Yeah, I looked at the video. You ARE aware that the Koran was *dictated* by Muhammed and *legend* has it that it wasn't until 22 years after the 'revelation' that anyone STARTED to write it down.

Check the history of it - it was an oral tradition for quite a while before the idea to 'compile it' and 'write it all down' took hold.

dp, I do not question you on this. Certainly, we know that the Koran like many texts started out with an oral tradition. However, I believe that we know this is irrelevant. What is relevant is what is taught in the madrasas and believed by those that 'graduate' from them. The impact of these schools is seen in the increasing radicalization of Islam. They do believe for example that the Jews drink the blood of Arab babies, that Israel and the United States are the lesser and greater satan, that killing non-believers is the right thing to do, etc. These are what they believe and what is truth for them.

Any course of action we take, must recognize this reality and stop trying to ignore it by saying that the educated Muslims do not believe this. Dr. Nidal Malik Hasan was an educated man, UBL has a civil engineering degree, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed earned his degree in Mechanical engineering in North Carolina, all of the 9/11 terrorists were college educated, etc.

I do not pretend to know the solution. What I do know is that sticking our heads in the sand and justifying the terrorism by saying we were just like that does not come to grips with the realities of today.

BBQ: I completely agree when it comes to the madrassas and what they teach along with a whole host of other myths that are perpetuated by the ignorant.

In the late 1970s a Jewish friend of mine encountered someone who still believed that Jews wore yarmulkas to cover the horns on their head.

In the 60s, some groups opposed JFK because they believed that he would be taking his marching orders from the Vatican.

Even today, most Catholics don't know some of the basic precepts that are the foundation of their own religion (and I was raised Catholic). I mean, most Catholics have no idea what the Immaculate Conception actually is, so I don't find it surprising that many Muslims don't fully know what's in the Koran. And just like the Bible is full of religious intolerance, hatred and vengeance in parts, so is the Koran. It's all in how you react to it.

Originally Posted by djplong

BBQ: I completely agree when it comes to the madrassas and what they teach along with a whole host of other myths that are perpetuated by the ignorant.

In the late 1970s a Jewish friend of mine encountered someone who still believed that Jews wore yarmulkas to cover the horns on their head.

In the 60s, some groups opposed JFK because they believed that he would be taking his marching orders from the Vatican.

Even today, most Catholics don't know some of the basic precepts that are the foundation of their own religion (and I was raised Catholic). I mean, most Catholics have no idea what the Immaculate Conception actually is, so I don't find it surprising that many Muslims don't fully know what's in the Koran. And just like the Bible is full of religious intolerance, hatred and vengeance in parts, so is the Koran. It's all in how you react to it.

Yes the 70's. The decade of many delusional dropouts. I would not condemn people for their thinking that the Vatican would influence a world leader of the same faith, especially in the late 50's. Back then many world leaders thought the Vatican's influence was important. Remember, the Vatican took alot of heat because many people worldwide thought that there should have been more condemnation about the Holocaust.

as if knowledgeable about what most Catholics believe.
Maybe....MAYBE you are applying to the whole what little you know about the few you know personally. But to profess what MOST do not know is not only inflamatory but most certainly reflects your very obvious hang up with Catholics.
Like Obama your belefs are conveyed by what comes out of ones mouth. And like Obama you have your foot squarely in your mouth when you say what "most" believe. Such ongoing harranging on a prejudice dis-credits ones position in a discussion.

btk

The only "most believe" that I said was about the Immaculate Conception. Please quote me where I said otherwise.

I know it's tangent here but.. The reason I said "Most Believe" was because, having gone to Catholic school, I was raised to believe that the Immaculate Conception was the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary, in that she was never with a man 'in the biblical sense'.

I was in my late 30s when I discovered that the Immaculate Conception was actually the conception of *Mary* - and was deemed such because the Church decided that she could not have been tainted by Original Sin (as we were taught we all were) - the reason being that Jesus could not be carried in the womb of someone who was sufferring under Original Sin - so HER conception (presumably by her parents) was deemed 'Immaculate'.

Hardly anyone knows this and when you *do* ask around it's not exactly hidden - they (meaning the Church) just don't "advertise" it.

And, no, I'm not making this up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Obama's cumulative job deficit stands at 7.6 million jobs.

No wonder Social Security is running in the red for the first time.

Where are the jobs that Obama promised?

Will the media hold him to it? (hehe) (don't hold your breath)

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/06/...covery-summer/

Pray tell, how did the above original post get so far off point that djplong is defining the Immaculate Conception??

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Pray tell, how did the above original post get so far off point that djplong is defining the Immaculate Conception??

LOL There is so much hijacking around here it should be monitored by the Highway Police. I think someone has religion issues, especially of the Catholic variety.

It's from going off on tangents. You try to show an example of something, the debate turns to that instead of the original and, before you know it, you're looking around in the middle of the woods going "How did I get here??"

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-...covery-summer/



July sales for used homes lowest in 15 years.

Construction worst in many years.

Where are the jobs?

No more talk of going below 9% unemployment.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

This was predicted by just about everyone when the home-buying tax credits expired.

Originally Posted by djplong

This was predicted by just about everyone when the home-buying tax credits expired.

The homebuyer credit was extended and doesn't expire until Sept. 30, 2010. That is the date home buyers have to close on the mortgage and be eligible for the first-time buyer credit of $8,000 or $6,500 for the existing home owner credit.

I thought it was just the deadline for having the P&S signed that was extended (allowing for people who took a lot of time to arrange financing).

If true, I stand corrected. I hadn't heard.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

The homebuyer credit was extended and doesn't expire until Sept. 30, 2010. That is the date home buyers have to close on the mortgage and be eligible for the first-time buyer credit of $8,000 or $6,500 for the existing home owner credit.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/...204671,00.html