Originally Posted by cologal

He is NOT a socialist.....he is a US citizen. Deal with it.

That doesn't make any sense. One has nothing to do with the other. Even if he is a citizen, he can still be a Socialist.

Cologal: You asked why people always mention the Kennedys, I was responding to that. I thought that providing an example of Kennedy tax hypocrisy would demonstrate the point. In other words, it's ok for Ted Kennedy to hike your taxes, but he does his damndest to avoid them (including selling the estate for $1 in 2008!).

When he is one of 'the liberal leaders', he should be held up to a standard that doesn't fail the "do as I say, not as I do" test.

It's the same thing that brings down other politicians, evangelists - anyone who preaches what other people should do.

the ethics committee and our dear old liar/cheater Rangel. Let's see if the Dems demand the same for him that they raised cane about with Tom Delay....

anybody wanna take bets?

btk

Originally Posted by djplong

Cologal: You asked why people always mention the Kennedys, I was responding to that. I thought that providing an example of Kennedy tax hypocrisy would demonstrate the point. In other words, it's ok for Ted Kennedy to hike your taxes, but he does his damndest to avoid them (including selling the estate for $1 in 2008!).

When he is one of 'the liberal leaders', he should be held up to a standard that doesn't fail the "do as I say, not as I do" test.

It's the same thing that brings down other politicians, evangelists - anyone who preaches what other people should do.

No actually I didn't ask why people always mention the Kennedys. In another string I called Sen. McCarthy a mean drunk and the retort was Ted Kennedy was a drunk. I posted a link about the owners of the LA Dodgers legally paying absolutely zero taxes although they took in millions. The retort, from the same person was, there are tax cheats on both sides the Kennedy's do it. So I said this person seemed to be fixated on the Kennedy's.

My point in this thread is more tax options are available to the rich than to the middle class...I would be in favor of a flat tax for both people and business. Quite often business comes in gets tax breaks from local and state government based on promises but somehow things just don't work out. I have sure seen it in Colorado Springs a city completely under conservative control, the TABOR law and so totally out of money.

Originally Posted by billethkid

the ethics committee and our dear old liar/cheater Rangel. Let's see if the Dems demand the same for him that they raised cane about with Tom Delay....

anybody wanna take bets?

btk

What do you want to bet? A beer at the square? I'm in.

Originally Posted by Donna2

That doesn't make any sense. One has nothing to do with the other. Even if he is a citizen, he can still be a Socialist.

Just you saying, or maybe it was Glen Beck, he is a socialist or racist or not a American citizen doesn't make it so. This is a free country and you can be a member of the Socialist party...nothing wrong with that. My nephew is fighting in Afghanistan right now right in the middle of that battle we have all been hearing about. Many brave men and women have died just so we can have free speech and be members of the socialist party.

If you abhor all things socialist have you turned in your Social Security and Medicare cards yet? I know you have to be against all those socialist entitlement programs.

Originally Posted by cologal

Just you saying, or maybe it was Glen Beck, he is a socialist or racist or not a American citizen doesn't make it so. This is a free country and you can be a member of the Socialist party...nothing wrong with that. My nephew is fighting in Afghanistan right now right in the middle of that battle we have all been hearing about. Many brave men and women have died just so we can have free speech and be members of the socialist party.

If you abhor all things socialist have you turned in your Social Security and Medicare cards yet? I know you have to be against all those socialist entitlement programs.

First you say B. Hussien Obama is not a socialist, then you say it doesn't matter. These socialist entitlement programs are bankrupting the USA and now he he trying to get yet another one. (health care)
He has tripled out national debt in one year. This man is dangerous and a threat to our future.

Originally Posted by billethkid

the ethics committee and our dear old liar/cheater Rangel. Let's see if the Dems demand the same for him that they raised cane about with Tom Delay....

anybody wanna take bets?

btk

Yes after Pelosi and the Dems wanted Delaney out of there I do wonder how they will react. Rangel chairing the Ethics committee. Is this a joke ot what?

Cologal, I can't answer for Donna2, but I will answer for me. No I will not turn in my social security or medicare cards. I wasn't given a choice. I was forced to particiapate. I would much rather have been able to invest MY money as I saw fit. When Bush tried to allow young people to put part of their money aside, as they wanted to, he was demonized.

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

Cologal, I can't answer for Donna2, but I will answer for me. No I will not turn in my social security or medicare cards. I wasn't given a choice. I was forced to particiapate. I would much rather have been able to invest MY money as I saw fit. When Bush tried to allow young people to put part of their money aside, as they wanted to, he was demonized.

Sally Jo, your answer is exactly my answer. And now they want to add another boondoggle entitlement to further our descent into a Banana Republic.

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Originally Posted by waynet

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Please explain what point you are making, in relation to how many folks DO NOT PAY AT ALL and include your opinion of the percentage of the TOTAL tax revenues paid by income !

Thank you

The name of the thread is Where Did the Wealth Go? I am just trying to show that the wealth some of us middle class people had went to the wealthy,where else would it go?

Originally Posted by waynet

The name of the thread is Where Did the Wealth Go? I am just trying to show that the wealth some of us middle class people had went to the wealthy,where else would it go?

Well, keep track of your taxes as we roll out Govt insurance, cap and trade etc.....cause somebody has to pay for it !!! And if you believe your are exempt because you make less than 250,000 you are not paying very close attention to what is actually happening and more attention to the words.

And will check backlater on that CT retirement fund !

I do not want to pay more taxes,no one does,maybe we could just level the field a little more.
Sorry to not respond to CT.teachers. The post you sent me is for the Ct. state employers Retirement system a system teachers are not part of. I don't know when teachers decided to not join and have their own retirement system but they did.(First sentence under Tier 1) our system is entirely independant of that retirement system.
I do understand that pensions are having a bad effect on state govt's but they also spend money like drunken sailors. I do know that our state employees have either given back or delayed some of their benefits and the state is asking for more. To blame all the problems on state pensions no matter who they are for and how they are funded is just much too simplistic. Again I can only speak for CT. but the size of state gov't and all the bureaucracy that goes with it is a major factor in CT's debt. Layer upon layer of supervisors,spokesmen and nobody really knows what they do or where the money goes.Example Just last month it came to light that the drinking water bill for state legislators was $300,000.Poland Springs laughed all the way to the bank. I don't know where you are from but I'll put up our state buildings against any others. We are the Taj Mahal of state buildings.
This will be my last post for awhile and I know you and I have differences and I don't agree with some of your views but I did enjoy the sparring.