[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK. I am sure that there is a scientific study somewhere that shows that rats were given cancer by exposing them to 2nd hand smoke. But, I value my time too much to go chasing around and finding a study that PROVES WHAT IS INTUITIVELY LOGICAL to myself. Namely, since smoking produces cancer ; 2nd hand smoke indoors MUST produce cancer. Sometimes, I am fine with intuition. For example, I don't personally need to measure the curvature of the earth to not believe in a flat earth society.

Interestingly, those statements are both right and wrong at the same time.

Yes, there are plenty of studies linking cancer to second-hand smoke---and while many are just agenda driven, there are many legitimate studies as well

However, the "logic" of smoking causes cancer therefore second-hand smoke must as well is deeply flawed. There are significant differences between what the smoker inhales and what he exhales-----just as there are significant differences between what we eat and what----well, you know the rest

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The logic of WHY that happens is easy enough. The Peace Prize is given for a point in time - for promoting peace for that ONE YEAR that it was given. They do not wait until someone dies and then give out a Peace Prize as a lifetime achievement award. Life CHANGES and people change - one year they are the best in the world and then another year comes along and they are ordinary or even disliked. Obama made the MISTAKE of being the 1st black president. That's difficult territory to be in..........not everyone is going to applaud him for that achievement.

Obama was not the first black president for 2 reasons.

(1). Clinton was the first ... Bernie Sanders Calls Bill Clinton “The First Real Black President” – The Hollywood Reporter

(2). Ask Obama's mother.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Interestingly, those statements are both right and wrong at the same time.

Yes, there are plenty of studies linking cancer to second-hand smoke---and while many are just agenda driven, there are many legitimate studies as well

However, the "logic" of smoking causes cancer therefore second-hand smoke must as well is deeply flawed. There are significant differences between what the smoker inhales and what he exhales-----just as there are significant differences between what we eat and what----well, you know the rest

Narratives are fine, but a data-driven study is what works in the field of science. You can assume and believe anything you wish, but there is no data to support your claims -- just like man-made global warming.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by sounding

Narratives are fine, but a data-driven study is what works in the field of science. You can assume and believe anything you wish, but there is no data to support your claims -- just like man-made global warming.

My claims or the poster I was responding to????

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles

My claims or the poster I was responding to????

Your claims are on target, so it must be the "poster" which probably claimed man is causing climate change or something silly like that.

[Taltarzac725]

Saskatchewan - Wikipedia

Effects of Global Warming on Saskatchewan.

Climate change in Saskatchewan - Wikipedia

[Taltarzac725]

Scientific consensus on climate change - Wikipedia

It is kind of like chemistry as far as consensus is concerned. Some dark areas in brand new discoveries, etc. in chemistry or in new drugs and their interactions.

History of chemistry - Wikipedia

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Saskatchewan - Wikipedia

Effects of Global Warming on Saskatchewan.

Climate change in Saskatchewan - Wikipedia

That was edible until the part ... "most likely caused by greenhouse gas emissions" ... which is junk science. Notice that they never say how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Any fool can make that claim. Only "data" can prove it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Interestingly, those statements are both right and wrong at the same time.

Yes, there are plenty of studies linking cancer to second-hand smoke---and while many are just agenda driven, there are many legitimate studies as well

However, the "logic" of smoking causes cancer therefore second-hand smoke must as well is deeply flawed. There are significant differences between what the smoker inhales and what he exhales-----just as there are significant differences between what we eat and what----well, you know the rest

I read this to mean that intuitive logic can be correct often.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I read this to mean that intuitive logic can be correct often.

Name one study.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Obama was not the first black president for 2 reasons.

(1). Clinton was the first ... Bernie Sanders Calls Bill Clinton “The First Real Black President” – The Hollywood Reporter

(2). Ask Obama's mother.

OK. Another attempt to rewrite history, very similar to the oft-mentioned 7 years of cooling that popped out of some fever dream. In the US it is generally assumed that people with an amount of Black DNA may speak of themselves as Black (if they wish). And I believe that President Obama spoke that way of himself. Incidentally, Obama and Fauci would make a strong 2 on 2 basketball team.

I believe that History will go along with the 80% of scientists who state that Global Warming is taking place and that the cause is likely human use of fossil fuel engines. We here in Florida will likely be further exposed to the detriments of Global Warming and come to more respect Mother Nature in the next 3 to 5 years. So, we will be able easily to INTUITIVELY know that Global warming exists (like the 80% of scientists today do). Likely, in that short time period, Florida will be hit with one or more KILLER hurricanes. We will measure further increase in ocean level rise. We will see further loss of precious reef coral due to further CO2 increases and more acid bleaching. We and Europe will have to deal with 1,000 southern natives per day pouring into our borders due to dislocation from climate change. (that will be difficult as it's happening today)

So, the US and Europe need to be working on those problems rather than spinning their wheels and listening to the 20% of scientists, likely on the oil and gas payroll, that are Climate Change deniers.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK. Another attempt to rewrite history, very similar to the oft-mentioned 7 years of cooling that popped out of some fever dream. In the US it is generally assumed that people with an amount of Black DNA may speak of themselves as Black (if they wish). And I believe that President Obama spoke that way of himself. Incidentally, Obama and Fauci would make a strong 2 on 2 basketball team.

I believe that History will go along with the 80% of scientists who state that Global Warming is taking place and that the cause is likely human use of fossil fuel engines. We here in Florida will likely be further exposed to the detriments of Global Warming and come to more respect Mother Nature in the next 3 to 5 years. So, we will be able easily to INTUITIVELY know that Global warming exists (like the 80% of scientists today do). Likely, in that short time period, Florida will be hit with one or more KILLER hurricanes. We will measure further increase in ocean level rise. We will see further loss of precious reef coral due to further CO2 increases and more acid bleaching. We and Europe will have to deal with 1,000 southern natives per day pouring into our borders due to dislocation from climate change. (that will be difficult as it's happening today)

So, the US and Europe need to be working on those problems rather than spinning their wheels and listening to the 20% of scientists, likely on the oil and gas payroll, that are Climate Change deniers.

Thar you go again with a "belief" in something. Happy religion, happy beliefs. I prefer to sick with data -- where none prove man causes climate change. In the past many "believed" CFC's caused ozone holes, and got suckered into paying more money for less efficient cooling gases. Note: the sun makes ozone, and lack of sun makes holes in the ozone because ozone is unstable and breaks apart during night hours. Those holes just keep coming and going, just like the 4-seasons.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I read this to mean that intuitive logic can be correct often.

True. And even a blind squirrel finds an acorn on occasion

[skarra]

I've concluded that climate change deniers don't really want to listen, and they don't really care about future generations. It's a head in the sand mentality. The scientific community has reached consensus about the issue, and it is supported by data. Pick up any reputable Science journal and you will find that to be the case. e.g. November Scientific American - Meltdown is faster than expected.

The bigger question is what to do about it.

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Originally Posted by skarra

I've concluded that climate change deniers don't really want to listen, and they don't really care about future generations. It's a head in the sand mentality. The scientific community has reached consensus about the issue, and it is supported by data. Pick up any reputable Science journal and you will find that to be the case. e.g. November Scientific American - Meltdown is faster than expected.

The bigger question is what to do about it.

The best thing to do is nothing, because "consensus" is just political science, not factual science ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-FxwVkQ60