[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by mikempp

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

It's actually more than 80 percent, which still is a pretty strong indicator and this is based on information from hardcore scientists. Also, this takes into account scientists who work for the fossil fuels industry who are getting paid to take the opposing view. See this article in Forbes:

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

That's the point ... warming and cooling are happening at the same time via 10 different solar driven cycles -- not by CO2. Currently, over the past 7 or so years there is slight global cooling, which is within a longer term warming from the Bray and Eddy cycles, which is modulated by the even larger scale Milankovitch cycle which has started cooling. On top of that is the ongoing Feynman sunspot cycle which has been cooling for the past 40 years and the PDO ocean cycle which has also been cooling for the past few years -- which many believe is causing the current cooling trend. These are all discussed at the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club

OK, I get the general point there as a way of JUSTIFYING the conclusion expressed in the original thread that "Cooling is coming". Just mix together a nice WORD SALAD of this CYCLE and that CYCLE and come to whatever conclusion suits you. Sure, MAYBE (?) the mixed CYCLE SALAD sets up the earth to start cooling in about 2190. Then Our great-grandchildren may be talking in forums about the Global Cooling that is taking place.

But, today right now, in REAL America and REAL earth ........REAL scientists are WARNING (to deaf ears of the LAY people) that Global Warming is a REAL event that has been proven by Climatologists. They have done this through years of observation. The climate NOISE of conflicting CYCLES is overcome by observations of both long-term and short-term trends of KEY indicators. One such indicator would be direct temperature measurement at many points around the globe. Another would be ocean temperatures around the earth. Another would be changes in ocean CO2. Another would be the study of coral reefs - which are predicted to be DOWN to only 15% of live coral by 2100. Another indicator would be tree ring analysis. Another would be upper atmosphere measurements of CO2, which is increasing and forming a HEAT blanket. Another indicator is something that every layperson in the world knows..........that old-growth forests around the world are being removed at an alarming rate - the Amazon is one example. Another indicator is that TUNDRA in Russia and elsewhere is burning and releasing MORE excess CO2. Another would be the Chinese middle class driving more automobiles and producing MORE EXCESS CO2. Another would be earthworms moving further northward into Canada and elsewhere. Another factor is world population increase since 1800 by a factor of 8 times.

There are many other indicators that could be researched. BUT, the final conclusion is that over 90% of climate scientists believe that the earth will continue to HEAT up for the next 30 years.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ithos

I hate to break the news to you but any professional in a weather related career, will have a much harder time being employed if they "deny" the global warming theory. In fact many have lost their jobs because of it.

Al Gore earned hundreds of millions of dollars on the global warming hoax. Remember that hockey stick chart? Complete fiction.

In science, theories are supposed to be challenged and subject to open debates. But that does not happen in this field because it is treated more like a religion. And we all know why.

When people do NOT like the message, they shoot the messenger. That happened in the past with Ak Gore. The oil and gas lobby did NOT like the message.
........Today, the messenger to be shot is one of HISTORY'S greatest medical professionals - Dr. Fauci. The fact that anyone has a bad word to say about Dr. Fauci shows how inverted and bizarre US values have become.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by sounding

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

Global warming has been stirred into a world panic. REALITY is well real. First of all even the label is spun. It is no longer GLOBAL WARMING, it is now CLIMATE CHANGE. Reality is climate is always changing. I recall going to the Museum of Natural History they had a cross section of a Giant Sequoia tree rings were marked for events in history. They also pointed out that some years the growth rings were wider indicating more growth due to more favorable weather. Roughly 40 years ago the concern was global cooling. Without Al Gore paying for his huge home telling the rest of us we should it NATURALLY evolved into global warming.

I can honestly SCREAM that my carbon footprint is far less than it used to be and that is true.
Also, true is the fact that I am retired and no longer producing anything.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

7-8 years is WEATHER change, not CLIMATE change...

Climate is not the issue. Why is it cooling for 7 years when the media says it should be warming, especially when CO2 keeps skyrocketing up up up up up ..... ?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Global warming has been stirred into a world panic. REALITY is well real. First of all even the label is spun. It is no longer GLOBAL WARMING, it is now CLIMATE CHANGE. Reality is climate is always changing. I recall going to the Museum of Natural History they had a cross section of a Giant Sequoia tree rings were marked for events in history. They also pointed out that some years the growth rings were wider indicating more growth due to more favorable weather. Roughly 40 years ago the concern was global cooling. Without Al Gore paying for his huge home telling the rest of us we should it NATURALLY evolved into global warming.

I can honestly SCREAM that my carbon footprint is far less than it used to be and that is true.
Also, true is the fact that I am retired and no longer producing anything.

They aren't talking about the CO2 carbon footprint -- they are talking about human footprints. Jacques Cousteau issued marching orders years ago at a 1991 UNESCO event where he said, "World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK, I get the general point there as a way of JUSTIFYING the conclusion expressed in the original thread that "Cooling is coming". Just mix together a nice WORD SALAD of this CYCLE and that CYCLE and come to whatever conclusion suits you. Sure, MAYBE (?) the mixed CYCLE SALAD sets up the earth to start cooling in about 2190. Then Our great-grandchildren may be talking in forums about the Global Cooling that is taking place.

But, today right now, in REAL America and REAL earth ........REAL scientists are WARNING (to deaf ears of the LAY people) that Global Warming is a REAL event that has been proven by Climatologists. They have done this through years of observation. The climate NOISE of conflicting CYCLES is overcome by observations of both long-term and short-term trends of KEY indicators. One such indicator would be direct temperature measurement at many points around the globe. Another would be ocean temperatures around the earth. Another would be changes in ocean CO2. Another would be the study of coral reefs - which are predicted to be DOWN to only 15% of live coral by 2100. Another indicator would be tree ring analysis. Another would be upper atmosphere measurements of CO2, which is increasing and forming a HEAT blanket. Another indicator is something that every layperson in the world knows..........that old-growth forests around the world are being removed at an alarming rate - the Amazon is one example. Another indicator is that TUNDRA in Russia and elsewhere is burning and releasing MORE excess CO2. Another would be the Chinese middle class driving more automobiles and producing MORE EXCESS CO2. Another would be earthworms moving further northward into Canada and elsewhere. Another factor is world population increase since 1800 by a factor of 8 times.

There are many other indicators that could be researched. BUT, the final conclusion is that over 90% of climate scientists believe that the earth will continue to HEAT up for the next 30 years.

Nope ... 91% of scientists say CO2 is not a problem.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

People get confused between CO and CO2.
“How long does carbon monoxide stay in the atmosphere?
Chemical oxidation of CO in the lower atmosphere by molecular oxygen is very slow. The exact duration of CO in the lower atmosphere is not known with certainty; however, the mean residence time has been variously estimated to be between 0.3 and 5.0 years”.
Can you elaborate

They are distraction questions. Here's the main issue ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by sounding

Ditto. It would good to someday hear someone give that presentation at the Civil Discourse Club. There's plenty of evidence to support that information -- and more is being found every year -- but the news media suppresses it in favor of climate alarmism.

Greenland was very warm back then, because there were no ice caps on earth way back then. We are now in a very cold period of earth's history -- but the media will never tell you that. That "Greenland" topic (and related climate data) has been mentioned at the Weather Club and will be also presented at the Civil Discourse Club. A related CO2 talked was just given today at 10 AM at Savannah. For notifications of these weather & climate talks just send a request to "info@theweatherclubvillages.com" In the meantime, here is more Greenland info ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=folh5yyFyl8

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by sounding

They are distraction questions. Here's the main issue ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

How much MAN MADE CO has been made in the last year. Burning petroleum products create CO (Carbon Monoxide) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

How much MAN MADE CO has been made in the last year. Burning petroleum products create CO (Carbon Monoxide) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

Wonderful! Since CO is not a greenhouse gas, then there's no need to cut greenhouse gas emissions -- the emergency is over. Merry Christmas!

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by sounding

Wonderful! Since CO is not a greenhouse gas, then there's no need to cut greenhouse gas emissions -- the emergency is over. Merry Christmas!

As I mentioned in a previous post CO does get converted to CO2. Carbon Monoxide becomes oxidized and a converts into CO2 contributing to global changes. Just like Carbon Monoxide detectors are placed towards the ceiling and not on the floors in homes CO is lighter than air

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

As I mentioned in a previous post CO does get converted to CO2. Carbon Monoxide becomes oxidized and a converts into CO2 contributing to global changes. Just like Carbon Monoxide detectors are placed towards the ceiling and not on the floors in homes CO is lighter than air

"CO2 contributing to global changes" ... what change?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by sounding

Nope ... 91% of scientists say CO2 is not a problem.

Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.

Sure. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Should be very easy to find via Google since everyone knows for sure that it is happening.