[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Maybe my word "encapsulated"' is not quite correct. What was done was to cover the messenger somehow with a some sort of protein so it would not be in direct contact with the body. I can not find the study that I originally read about this. It was ground breaking, however, in order to go forward with development of the mRNA vaccines. Without that "tweek" we would not have been able to have humans injected with this vaccine. That "tweek" fixed a huge problem for the utilization of these mRNA vaccines.

I know exactly what you read - That was the 'halleluiah!' moment when they got past that.

And the term 'encapsulated' was exactly what I inferred as well.

I'm not bothering to search for the medical journal entries and studies for it. I just remember the article very well. I just remember that it was that breakthrough that possibly saved 10's of millions from dying...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I’ve got papers that’s says I was vaccinated. I think we need to be tattooed on forehead for all to see

I have papers and I took a picture and keep it in my phone. It's fine with me if unvaccinated people want to walk around with a mask. They can only infect other unvaccinated people. Currently, in the state of Florida, there are more vaccine doses than there are people trying to get vaccinated. So if you're not vaccinated by now, it's your problem, not mine.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

I know exactly what you read - That was the 'halleluiah!' moment when they got past that.

And the term 'encapsulated' was exactly what I inferred as well.

I'm not bothering to search for the medical journal entries and studies for it. I just remember the article very well. I just remember that it was that breakthrough that possibly saved 10's of millions from dying...

Good to know I didn't just dream about that.

[bobdeb]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

No, not less valuable.

But, it isn't about not thinking like me, it's about belligerently refusing to take measures to protect themselves against a deadly virus.

You are making assumptions as to what folks think and feel regarding taking the vaccine.

I know of three people who are clearly not belligerent nor closed minded and are currently still unvaccinated. They have their reasons.

[bobdeb]

Originally Posted by stanley

Jumping off a bridge to commit suicide, if that's what you mean, and opting to not take this "vaccine" is night and day. It's a silly analogy.

Precisely

[bobdeb]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Not true......many of us so call belligerent people have a variety of reasons we choose not to get the shot and frankly I tried of all you who has choose to get the shot feel you have the right to call us names and say rude things about us. This is out of control with the hate.

I read this the other day
“Hate has caused a lot of problems in this world but it hasn’t fix one yet”

Maybe time to stop hating those who have every right not to get the shot and move on.

Yes. Thank you.

However, some day we should all hope that we are as enlightened as those who intend to characterize folks who choose not to receive the vaccine... maybe just yet.

And I personally don't need to know or care if you've had one shot, or two or whatever.

[bobdeb]

Shall we start shaming those with a drinking problem from buying alchohol. Ban all cigarettes and tobacco products and vaping. We could post a scale in front of the Doritos display that sets off an alarm for those 'gravitationally challenged'. Ban soft drinks (pop, soda, whatever) and other foods from diabetics. We'll throw in the unvaccinated for good measure.

And then march those violators down through a square chanting 'shame!, shame!' ala 'Game of Thrones'.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Justus

And in the short time vaccines have been available, the following statistics have been documented. I'll take my chances with my natural immunity, thank you.
COVID DATA - OpenVaers

Per Google......."VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients."

What does "anyone" mean? Could there possibly be people that make false reports? Just a thought.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Per Google......."VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients."

What does "anyone" mean? Could there possibly be people that make false reports? Just a thought.

Possibly.......possibly not.....just a thought

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

YOUR science says get the shot. MY science says tread carefully. This vaccine was rushed to production, has not been fully vetted, is experimental, and we just don't know the long term effects. The science is NOT clear at all, the recommendations changed day to day because they just don't know what they don't know. Those are indisputable facts that maybe you can justify, I cannot.

I haven't been locked down ever. In fact, every day I went to work at a hospital where at one point there were 70 Covid-infected patients under the same roof as me. An infested hospital where I had direct interaction w the people providing direct care to the infected. Nor will I go into lock down now. I'm pretty sure the ones you see wearing masks while driving alone in their car are those ultra paranoid of contracting C19. They were the first in line to receive a vaccine. Those holding off on getting a vaccine just aren't that paranoid as evidenced by the fact they weren't first in line to receive the vaccine.

Virtue Signaling: the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do not.

I will conclude my response to your condescending, critical, fundamentally wrong, and worthless response by saying, but I'm the stupid one. I'm certain its intent will be lost.

For someone working in a hospital (and thank you for that), you seem to be behind the curve on the SCIENCE of MNRA vaccines, what they are and how they work. I also defer to our resident Chief Of Medicine on this as he is correct, there is only SCIENCE. Anything else is opinion.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Per Google......."VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients."

What does "anyone" mean? Could there possibly be people that make false reports? Just a thought.

The point isn't that anyone can submit a report. The point is that the report doesn't prove a correlation or causation. To wit:

I got my second Pfizer vaccine 3 weeks ago.

Two days ago, my bursitis started acting up again.


If I report that to VAERS, it will be on record that at least one vaccinated person has had a flareup of bursitis post-vaccine.

What will NOT be on record: I had my one and only cortisone shot 5 months ago and the doctor warned me it'd probably wear off around 4-6 months after I got it. I was expecting this flareup, and it has NOTHING to do with the vaccine.

I can also report having experienced loose bowels for 4 days total between the last vaccine and today.

What will NOT be on record: I ate a lot of cashews yesterday and the day before, and those are triggers for my digestive system. A little over a week ago, I had the last of the bleu cheese in the fridge, and there was a lot of it, and like a pig I ate the whole bunch. That is also a trigger. Two weeks ago, I bought that bleu cheese, and ate a big honkin chunk of it when I got home. Melted. On triscuits. OMG. My digestive system protested violently the next day.

There is no correlation OR causation between the vaccine and my digestive upsets. AT ALL. But I can report it all, and it will show up on record as someone who got the second shot and subsequently had digestive upset.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

You want credible? Use the BBC for unbiased reporting. They have no dog in the race and are very credible as a news source.

OMG! The BBC is well noted for it's left wing bias. Any of our UK cousins care to jump in on this?

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Hmm, I can't seem to find a single quote where Fauci said this, could you please point me to where you found it?

It was before a Senate Committee hearing a couple days ago. Check CSPAN

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The point isn't that anyone can submit a report. The point is that the report doesn't prove a correlation or causation. To wit:

I got my second Pfizer vaccine 3 weeks ago.

Two days ago, my bursitis started acting up again.


If I report that to VAERS, it will be on record that at least one vaccinated person has had a flareup of bursitis post-vaccine.

What will NOT be on record: I had my one and only cortisone shot 5 months ago and the doctor warned me it'd probably wear off around 4-6 months after I got it. I was expecting this flareup, and it has NOTHING to do with the vaccine.

I can also report having experienced loose bowels for 4 days total between the last vaccine and today.

What will NOT be on record: I ate a lot of cashews yesterday and the day before, and those are triggers for my digestive system. A little over a week ago, I had the last of the bleu cheese in the fridge, and there was a lot of it, and like a pig I ate the whole bunch. That is also a trigger. Two weeks ago, I bought that bleu cheese, and ate a big honkin chunk of it when I got home. Melted. On triscuits. OMG. My digestive system protested violently the next day.

There is no correlation OR causation between the vaccine and my digestive upsets. AT ALL. But I can report it all, and it will show up on record as someone who got the second shot and subsequently had digestive upset.

Great explanation. I had no idea. Thanks.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I saw that article myself. I do believe the human race is not mature enough for the internet. the instant fame, instant dissemination of information, and the vast overwhelming about of information created every day is impossible for anyone to keep up with.

There is no "Human Race". There is a Human Species . The entire idea of "race" is a made up thing going back to the 1800's to justify one group having superiority over another. So today, all this Cr*p about "racial justice" is just perpetuating a falsehood. We should be talking about discrimination based on ethnicity since that is where most of these grievances fall into.