[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

But choice between life OR life imprisoned in my basement for fear of catching and dying from the virus?

Easy choice

I am not living in fear of the Covid virus. Why should I? The chances of it negatively affecting me are infinitesimally small, given my age, weight & health. So while you may have been cowering in your basement, waiting for the vaccine, I was out living my life...

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Those animals died because the messenger was not encapsulated. This is the reason for experimentation for medications and vaccines. So sorry for the animals but they are lower in the pecking order to humans. That problem that killed the animals was solved, by research, and now the messenger is encapsulated with a protein that protects the human body from being directly exposed to it. I read all about this so I'm sure you can find this information too. Yes, experimental animals will die with all sorts of medication and vaccine development. That is what research is all about.

Encapsulated? Not really the right response....your or the animal immune system after vaccinated....respond positively....no so good with a variant..the variants are what confuses the immune response which causes a cytokine storm where organs are attacked...just like autoimmune....Then the case of misidentification...that is where Mrna tells the body to create a spike protein and then the immune response creates the antibody...the spike protein is identified by shape only in this type of vaccine...sometimes the protein may look like the optic nerve or some other organ and the immune response ends up in blindness or killing off some other organ.....In humans only time will tell what happens next.....will take another year to know.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Please provide a link to an nRMA study that tracks long term effects.

According to the University of Pennsylvania, they don’t exist:
Conclusions
of first patient enrollment.
The current evidence base on messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines is made up entirely of small early-stage trials, nearly all of which examined only short-term outcomes. They lack sufficient power for testing the statistical significance of most results, and for assessing the risk of serious but uncommon adverse events.

Correct no links available...check back in the near future.

[Gulfcoast]

Life comes with risks. There is a risk to not getting the vaccine and there is a risk that comes with being vaccinated. Weigh the risks and decide what is right for you.

Why some feel the need to micromanage other people's personal health decisions is beyond me.

I think that the vaccines are safe and that vaccination is certainly a better alternative for those at risk of complications from this virus. For young, healthy people who aren't at any particular risk from the virus, the vaccine is not necessary. For the more in between folks in reasonable health it could go either way.

Certainly the people who have suffered serious health issues from Covid, only wish now that a vaccine had been available to them. But those who have suffered extreme side effects from the vaccine probably wish now that they had never gotten the shot.

We all have different risk factors so the "best" thing for each one of us will be different.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Swoop

You’re the one who said the options were getting the vaccine or hiding in fear in your basement. I guess you don’t remember what you posted 30 minutes ago...
Maybe it’s the effects of the vaccine...

yeah, well I said those were the choices, I chose the vaccine. Had to anyway, glad I did. My point was that if you don't get vaccinated you will soon be unable to do many things you used to be able to do, should you choose.

Unless, of course, you break the law.

And I think anyone reading my previous post, that you seem unable to understand, knows exactly what I said.

Enough on this - you take your chances; I'll live my life without fear.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

yeah, well I said those were the choices, I chose the vaccine. Had to anyway, glad I did. My point was that if you don't get vaccinated you will soon be unable to do many things you used to be able to do, should you choose.

Unless, of course, you break the law.

And I think anyone reading my previous post, that you seem unable to understand, knows exactly what I said.

Enough on this - you take your chances; I'll live my life without fear.

Are you willing to step up and be the one who keeps the unvaccinated safe? Maybe you can deliver their packages and be in charge of their contactless grocery pickup while they kick back, collect their government checks and stay safe?

Be careful what you pray for.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

yeah, well I said those were the choices, I chose the vaccine. Had to anyway, glad I did. My point was that if you don't get vaccinated you will soon be unable to do many things you used to be able to do, should you choose.

Unless, of course, you break the law.

And I think anyone reading my previous post, that you seem unable to understand, knows exactly what I said.

Enough on this - you take your chances; I'll live my life without fear.

No fear for me. And we’ll see how “many” things I will be unable to do.
I sincerely hope that there are no long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines. But given the fact that NO ONE knows if there will be, I will not have to live in fear for the next 5 years until the results of this trial are compiled...

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Are you willing to step up and be the one who keeps the unvaccinated safe? Maybe you can deliver their packages and be in charge of their contactless grocery pickup while they kick back, collect their government checks and stay safe?
.

Aw he!! NO! That's exactly what I have been saying! I have ZERO responsibility for anyone refusing to get the vaccine! None whatsoever.

Non-vaxxers take their life into their own hands - they choose their own destiny.

I just don't want their ill-advised decisions to affect me. Do you?

And as far as the useless slugs who sit back and take the unemployment cashouts because they are too lazy to work? Don't even get me started.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Aw he!! NO! That's exactly what I have been saying! I have ZERO responsibility for anyone refusing to get the vaccine! None whatsoever.

Non-vaxxers take their life into their own hands - they choose their own destiny.

I just don't want their ill-advised decisions to affect me. Do you?

And as far as the useless slugs who sit back and take the unemployment cashouts because they are too lazy to work? Don't even get me started.

I agree that the unvaccinated should own their own choices. I do not agree that their freedom should be in any way limited. They should be able to work, travel, go to concerts just like the vaccinated do.

The vaccination cards and "stars on thars" approach would be a terrible precedent for this country and one that should be avoided at all costs.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

It makes me scared for the children that are being brought into this country. If owning a child is made into a profitable business, then the worst of the worst will start getting kids to get checks.

It makes me extremely sad and also scared for my grandkids. The sense of nostalgia that a lot of have when we come to TV also seems lost.

A lot of the appeal, at least to me, with TV are the little things. The friendliness, the sense of being in a safe place. Heck, even the stupid newspaper, which I love simply because it reminds me of times gone by. I don't know of anywhere in the country where they can print an inch thick paper every single day and manage to say absolutely nothing newsworthy. But that is just fine. It's like the Truman Show - our bubble. And I embrace it.

What makes me sad is that this idyllic pace of life may go away after we're all gone unless people start understanding that working for a living is the true key to success and happiness.

Ah, waxing poetic....

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

It makes me extremely sad and also scared for my grandkids. The sense of nostalgia that a lot of have when we come to TV also seems lost.

A lot of the appeal, at least to me, with TV are the little things. The friendliness, the sense of being in a safe place. Heck, even the stupid newspaper, which I love simply because it reminds me of times gone by. I don't know of anywhere in the country where they can print an inch thick paper every single day and manage to say absolutely nothing newsworthy. But that is just fine. It's like the Truman Show - our bubble. And I embrace it.

What makes me sad is that this idyllic pace of life may go away after we're all gone unless people start understanding that working for a living is the true key to success and happiness.

Ah, waxing poetic....

I feel that there will be lessons learned from all of this. The people collecting the free money will be happy until the spigot runs dry, as it most certainly will. Some states are never going to be the same. Too much damage has been done - economically, socially, mentally.

Florida, for the most part, has done a good job in mitigating the damage to this state. People have been working and kids have been going to school. The vaccination roll out has been successful. Our state has shown the country that it is safe to get back into life again.

The Sunshine State has a lot to be proud of and there is a reason that TV has become such a popular retirement destination. People want and need that nice little bubble in their older years. They want a nice place for their kids and grandchildren to visit. I don't see that changing,

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

here ya go

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[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I feel that there will be lessons learned from all of this. The people collecting the free money will be happy until the spigot runs dry, as it most certainly will. Some states are never going to be the same. Too much damage has been done - economically, socially, mentally.

Florida, for the most part, has done a good job in mitigating the damage to this state. People have been working and kids have been going to school. The vaccination roll out has been successful. Our state has shown the country that it is safe to get back into life again.

The Sunshine State has a lot to be proud of and there is a reason that TV has become such a popular retirement destination. People want and need that nice little bubble in their older years. They want a nice place for their kids and grandchildren to visit. I don't see that changing,

I hope and pray that your predictions are 100% spot on. I want to live long enough that one of my kids will love it here and can take the home and live the lifestyle we have.

Right now they're doing their thing.. But someday it happens to all of us.. and we realize it's that time...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

How would "they" know?

They won't. The "honor system" is an absolute joke. I will continue to keep my distance as best that I can from others as I go maskless in every venue that does not require masks.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

Encapsulated? Not really the right response....your or the animal immune system after vaccinated....respond positively....no so good with a variant..the variants are what confuses the immune response which causes a cytokine storm where organs are attacked...just like autoimmune....Then the case of misidentification...that is where Mrna tells the body to create a spike protein and then the immune response creates the antibody...the spike protein is identified by shape only in this type of vaccine...sometimes the protein may look like the optic nerve or some other organ and the immune response ends up in blindness or killing off some other organ.....In humans only time will tell what happens next.....will take another year to know.

Maybe my word "encapsulated"' is not quite correct. What was done was to cover the messenger somehow with a some sort of protein so it would not be in direct contact with the body. I can not find the study that I originally read about this. It was ground breaking, however, in order to go forward with development of the mRNA vaccines. Without that "tweek" we would not have been able to have humans injected with this vaccine. That "tweek" fixed a huge problem for the utilization of these mRNA vaccines.

I know cytokine storm is what killed many Covid victims early on in the pandemic. I have not heard that a vaccine can cause this phenomenon, however.