[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by drducat

There were tests on animals which resulted in death....all of the MRNA type trials were abandoned until Covid-19.

Sources please?

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

.....you seem to be behind the curve on the SCIENCE of MNRA vaccines, what they are and how they work. I also defer to our resident Chief Of Medicine on this as he is correct, there is only SCIENCE. Anything else is opinion.

OR maybe this "science" hasn't yet earned the title of "SCIENCE". With the 'facts' and recommendations changing daily, calling it "SCIENCE" is laughable. Feels more like a massive experiment to me, and we're the guinea pigs. Perhaps my thinking is ahead of and not behind the curve. You at least have to give me credit for questioning vs following blindly. Right?

Do you mean Fauci when you say our resident Chief of Medicine? If so, IMHO, he's a political hack. The man will say whatever he's told to say. Why do I say that, you ask. Because he has repeated instances of changing his opinion every time the wind changes direction. No need for masks one day, and the next day only double masking will keep you safe. C'mon! The "science" he was referencing simply doesn't change overnight like that. The benefit/lack of benefit of masking is known. For example, influenza kills thousands of otherwise healthy American adults AND children every year. Why do you suppose we have never been ordered to mask up to avoid contracting influenza? I don't quite get that one. I don't have an answer but I sure question why, if masks work to keep me safe from killer viruses, why have masks never before been recommended? And I'm angry bc my friend's otherwise healthy 16 year-old daughter, dead from influenza, might still be alive if the Faucis had recommended masking to prevent contracting. Too many dangling chads for me to have a comfortable opinion on whether to vaccinate or not.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Actually, the janitors were the only ones working on site.

[Lindsyburnsy]

FB, You-Tube and Twitter? Well, those are certainly reliable sources for information on health.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

OR maybe this "science" hasn't yet earned the title of "SCIENCE". With the 'facts' and recommendations changing daily, calling it "SCIENCE" is laughable. Feels more like a massive experiment to me, and we're the guinea pigs. Perhaps my thinking is ahead of and not behind the curve. You at least have to give me credit for questioning vs following blindly. Right?

Do you mean Fauci when you say our resident Chief of Medicine? If so, IMHO, he's a political hack. The man will say whatever he's told to say. Why do I say that, you ask. Because he has repeated instances of changing his opinion every time the wind changes direction. No need for masks one day, and the next day only double masking will keep you safe. C'mon! The "science" he was referencing simply doesn't change overnight like that. The benefit/lack of benefit of masking is known. For example, influenza kills thousands of otherwise healthy American adults AND children every year. Why do you suppose we have never been ordered to mask up to avoid contracting influenza? I don't quite get that one. I don't have an answer but I sure question why, if masks work to keep me safe from killer viruses, why have masks never before been recommended? And I'm angry bc my friend's otherwise healthy 16 year-old daughter, dead from influenza, might still be alive if the Faucis had recommended masking to prevent contracting. Too many dangling chads for me to have a comfortable opinion on whether to vaccinate or not.

Certainly not Fauci. TOTV.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Deadly to whom? The answer is overweight people with compromised immune systems. If you’re not overweight and you don’t have diabetes, hypertension, lung disease or heart disease, it’s NOT a “deadly” virus. The chances of you dying from Covid are infinitesimal - according to the statistics provided by the CDC...

The chances are at least 2% if you add together DEATH, current PAIN and COST of being in the hospital, and the FURTHER PAIN of long haul symptoms!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I agree that the unvaccinated should own their own choices. I do not agree that their freedom should be in any way limited. They should be able to work, travel, go to concerts just like the vaccinated do.

The vaccination cards and "stars on thars" approach would be a terrible precedent for this country and one that should be avoided at all costs.

So, you want your cake and eat it too. That's what I expect from the socially irresponsible!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by bobdeb

Shall we start shaming those with a drinking problem from buying alchohol. Ban all cigarettes and tobacco products and vaping. We could post a scale in front of the Doritos display that sets off an alarm for those 'gravitationally challenged'. Ban soft drinks (pop, soda, whatever) and other foods from diabetics. We'll throw in the unvaccinated for good measure.

And then march those violators down through a square chanting 'shame!, shame!' ala 'Game of Thrones'.

Vaping is a good way to damage young children's brains and adding flavors is REALLY sneaky. Older smokers end up in hospitals and some have painful DEATHS much earlier than non-smokers. And again the tobacco companies were SNEAKY about killing research into the greater health risks. People did NOT have all the facts to be able to make an intelligent choice - advertisements and lies prevented that. Taxpayers pay money to their Government to keep the playing field honest - taxpayers were let down!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

OR maybe this "science" hasn't yet earned the title of "SCIENCE". With the 'facts' and recommendations changing daily, calling it "SCIENCE" is laughable. Feels more like a massive experiment to me, and we're the guinea pigs. Perhaps my thinking is ahead of and not behind the curve. You at least have to give me credit for questioning vs following blindly. Right?

Do you mean Fauci when you say our resident Chief of Medicine? If so, IMHO, he's a political hack. The man will say whatever he's told to say. Why do I say that, you ask. Because he has repeated instances of changing his opinion every time the wind changes direction. No need for masks one day, and the next day only double masking will keep you safe. C'mon! The "science" he was referencing simply doesn't change overnight like that. The benefit/lack of benefit of masking is known. For example, influenza kills thousands of otherwise healthy American adults AND children every year. Why do you suppose we have never been ordered to mask up to avoid contracting influenza? I don't quite get that one. I don't have an answer but I sure question why, if masks work to keep me safe from killer viruses, why have masks never before been recommended? And I'm angry bc my friend's otherwise healthy 16 year-old daughter, dead from influenza, might still be alive if the Faucis had recommended masking to prevent contracting. Too many dangling chads for me to have a comfortable opinion on whether to vaccinate or not.

Science is basically a series of papers in Scientific Journals where Scientists enter their research as a hypothesis (possibilities) and then it is peer-reviewed. After enough peer review a particular hypothesis may be accepted as a "standard". At some future time, that "standard" will be challenged and THEN it may be modified. Thus, science changes and moves FORWARD, never stagnant!

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

So, you want your cake and eat it too. That's what I expect from the socially irresponsible!

Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

And the fatality rate could be 20x lower with the vaccine.

Where are the documented risks of adverse side effects? There is the clotting issue with the J&J vaccine but I guess I missed the others. Unless you are referring to VAERS but that is a database of correlation and not causation.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

This is exactly why bad decisions are made because ALL the facts are NOT known or ignored. If you HAD been reading about CV enough, you would KNOW that the NEWER variants of CV that are now prevalent in the UK (and have been found recently in the US) - these newer variants are MORE likely to infect younger children than the predominate variant in the US.

The problem has ALWAYS been that the CV is evolving. That is why people like myself have advocated getting as MANY people vaccinated as FAST as possible because we have a small lead on the VIRUS and only vaccinations of the vaccine-hesitant will allow us to FINISH it off. Then, life in the US can return to normal, not before. We KEEP trying to DECLARE victory over CV when we are only CLOSE. We have to achieve an ACTUAL victory over the CV - not just jump up and down and WISH that victory to happen.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

This is exactly why bad decisions are made because ALL the facts are NOT known or ignored. If you HAD been reading about CV enough, you would KNOW that the NEWER variants of CV that are now prevalent in the UK (and have been found recently in the US) - these newer variants are MORE likely to infect younger children than the predominate variant in the US.

The problem has ALWAYS been that the CV is evolving. That is why people like myself have advocated getting as MANY people vaccinated as FAST as possible because we have a small lead on the VIRUS and only vaccinations of the vaccine-hesitant will allow us to FINISH it off. Then, life in the US can return to normal, not before. We KEEP trying to DECLARE victory over CV when we are only CLOSE. We have to achieve an ACTUAL victory over the CV - not just jump up and down and WISH that victory to happen.

Don't buy into the hype and the fear mongering. That's no way to live your life.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Taking responsibility for yourself and mitigating your own health risks is being socially responsible.

A group called America's Frontline Doctors has pointed out that young people under the age of 20 have a 99.997% survivability rate from COVID-19 - they have close to a ZERO percent chance of dying from COVID-19. Yet, the government is advocating that this age group get vaccinated in spite of the documented risks of adverse side effects.

That is why it is so important for us all to make these decisions for ourselves.

And also, speaking of America's Doctors - 90% of US Doctors have had their vaccine - only 10% are waiting.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The chances are at least 2% if you add together DEATH, current PAIN and COST of being in the hospital, and the FURTHER PAIN of long haul symptoms!

WOW! Where did you pull that number from. Let’s see some actual data to back it up...
I know you won’t provide it, because it doesn’t exist...