[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Here, you can read it yourself:
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...l-data-report/

I'm not going to download a full report just to find out what constitutes "children" in their results. That's the job of whoever posts something and claims that it's a fact. If you claim something is a fact, it's up to you to support it. Copy and paste the sentences that define "children" in the report. Or don't, and then my supposition is just as valid as yours.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not going to download a full report just to find out what constitutes "children" in their results. That's the job of whoever posts something and claims that it's a fact. If you claim something is a fact, it's up to you to support it. Copy and paste the sentences that define "children" in the report. Or don't, and then my supposition is just as valid as yours.

It’s 0-17, feel free to read the report, it’s very enlightening...

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Swoop

It’s 0-17, feel free to read the report, it’s very enlightening...

Yes, "read" it doesn't need to be "downloaded".

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

If the United States reaches the President's vaccination goal by the Fourth of July, Anheuser-Busch will buy all adults a round of beer.

Sounds patriotic to me - I wonder how long before this thread gets locked, it's a positive thread, not a complaint or political, but I am betting it lasts about a day - LOL!

(BTW: I don't drink anything - anymore - and don't recommend any does, but I think it is nice to see a company pitching in and trying to help)

Especially foreign owned company.


Not for me, Beer gives me gas, especially Budweiser.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And so the un-vaccinated people can JUST continue to INFECT and KILL each other and young children. Great. Just keep up that stubbornness.

No, the can get vaccinated. Plenty vaccine to go around.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So, since insurance companies are in business to make money, and obese and overweight people cost them much more money than people who are not, are you suggesting insurance companies will “wise up” and refuse to insure, or start charging overweight people more for coverage?!?

IMO single pay, all private insurance should be outlawed. That way I could go to any doctor or practice and not have to wonder who paying them off just to accept their insurance.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

IMO single pay, all private insurance should be outlawed. That way I could go to any doctor or practice and not have to wonder who paying them off just to accept their insurance.

I agree - single pay. The US is about the only country that does NOT have Universal Health Care. The insurance companies in the US took over health care historically around the depression era - when wage controls were put in place by the Federal Government - then to get around that, US Corporations paid for health insurance to recruit high-value employees. Thus, today only the US uses an insurance-based health care system, which is inefficient and does NOT follow the individual employee from job to job. It is a confusing and inefficient system.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I agree - single pay. The US is about the only country that does NOT have Universal Health Care. The insurance companies in the US took over health care historically around the depression era - when wage controls were put in place by the Federal Government - then to get around that, US Corporations paid for health insurance to recruit high-value employees. Thus, today only the US uses an insurance-based health care system, which is inefficient and does NOT follow the individual employee from job to job. It is a confusing and inefficient system.

Be careful what you wish for...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Be careful what you wish for...

Those that keep asking for socialism, aka gov run health care have never lived in a country that has it. If they knew how much EVERYONE's payroll deduction is to pay for it, and saw how it is implemented in those other countries, they would be grateful for our great country. Yes, we do need some form of insurance reform, such as open state border shopping for insurance. And tort reform so that doctors didn't have to pay hundreds of thousands a year in malpractice premiums.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Those that keep asking for socialism, aka gov run health care have never lived in a country that has it. If they knew how much EVERYONE's payroll deduction is to pay for it, and saw how it is implemented in those other countries, they would be grateful for our great country. Yes, we do need some form of insurance reform, such as open state border shopping for insurance. And tort reform so that doctors didn't have to pay hundreds of thousands a year in malpractice premiums.

Doctors insurance is an insignificant drop in the bucket called "healthcare" in this country.

Those "other countries" aren't very specific, but the US is behind in almost every healthcare outcome statistic - infant mortality, cost, accessibility, and all.

And what we lack in outcomes we make up by paying 2 1/2 times what most single-payer government-provided healthcare systems in the rest of the first world pay.

I certainly can appreciate there are bad systems out there, and I am certain most/some of them are socialist. But, if you are talking about the best of the best, we, our great country that used to be at the top of the list is now in 17th place in the world concerning healthcare.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Doctors insurance is an insignificant drop in the bucket called "healthcare" in this country.

Those "other countries" aren't very specific, but the US is behind in almost every healthcare outcome statistic - infant mortality, cost, accessibility, and all.

And what we lack in outcomes we make up by paying 2 1/2 times what most single-payer government-provided healthcare systems in the rest of the first world pay.

I certainly can appreciate there are bad systems out there, and I am certain most/some of them are socialist. But, if you are talking about the best of the best, we, our great country that used to be at the top of the list is now in 17th place in the world concerning healthcare.

Who is doing the ranking?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Who is doing the ranking?

There are numerous reports that all say basically the same thing - from WHO, UN, AMA, and here is a link to the Common Wealth Fund study.

Multinational Comparisons of Health Systems Data, 2019 | Commonwealth Fund

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by LG999

I am vaccinated but i would not get vaccinated for a donut or a beer. Would you?

These “give aways” are a form of advertising for companies.

What kind of beer or donut?

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US needs Universal Health Care, not insurance companies trying to NOT pay for care and driving up Health Care costs with excessive paperwork and rules. Even Richard Nixon wanted Universal Health Care.

Just what we need. The government running health insurance. Everyone knows the government is so cost conscious and proficient in running all the programs it manages.

[Byte1]

I don't know how they rate our health care system, but I do know what I have experienced overseas and I do know how much folks in other countries PAY for their gov run fiasco. Like standing in lines for months to get treated or even examined? Do you like being put in a ward for days, that resembles living in a military barracks (with curtains) instead of a private room.....or even a shared room? Do you mind paying at least half of your paycheck in payroll deductions, when you are supposed to be middle class and have to live like our lower class earners? Before looking at the grass on the other side of the fence, thinking it is tastier....try living it before moving.
An interesting publication (kind of old by now) regarding world health care, compares health care and costs of many countries in the world. The publication is called "The Grass Is Not Always Greener" from the CATO Institute, I believe. I'm sure there will be those that wish to "politically" disparage the old publication, but I found it to be interesting none the less.
I also find it interesting that Canadians come to our country for treatment. I have a niece that is a nurse in Canada that comes to our country for treatment. Makes one wonder what she knows. Her mother died of cancer back in the late '70s, having had trouble getting treated in Canada. Not saying that she might have survived if treated earlier.
Yes, we need a better system. But, I would NEVER EVER want the gov to run or manage our health care, based on their track record.