[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Just cause you got vaccinated don’t mean you can’t get Covid or pass it on. It just means most likely you won’t become deathly ill from it if you are in the 95%. Now some of us just may be in 5% category. I choose to follow guidelines.

A lightning rod does not keep your home from being struck either. I am also following guidelines. Mine are from REAL doctors. Since there is more chance of getting struck by lightning than infected by the virus now that I am vaccinated, I prefer to enjoy my life. Not telling anyone else that they should do what they feel is uncomfortable.

I listen to what the TV star CDC folks say, but for entertainment value mostly. Like everything else, science is dynamic not static.

[Joe C.]

73 years old.
Never had a pneumonia shot, a shingles shot, a flu shot, and haven't had a tetanus shot in over 25 years. I do take meds and insulin.

Worried about covid? No. Do I listen to the "experts"? Well I listen, but don't believe much of what they say. Keeping my hands clean and away from my nose and eyes is about it. I wear a mask only in stores that require it. Other than that I don't.
No problem.

[Gray lady of the sea]

Thank you !!!

[BruggsNC1]

I agree with "JBeanj". The way that Science works is that they are CONTINUALLY gathering data. As they gather more data they gain more knowledge. They are passing this newfound knowledge on to us as they get it. What do you think is more accurate, information gathered on 3000 individuals or 30 million ? It is not being "wishy-washy", it is just giving you the best information that they have at the time.

[Dgodin]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We are SO DONE with the continual (for well over one year now) mis-information / misleading / no information / changing information from the so-called "EXPERTS".

We are both fully vaccinated, and will follow the so-called "rules".. but HAVE HAD IT with 'expert leadership' messages and commucations to us>

front-page artcle on USA Today>

Is herd immunity to COVID-19 possible? Experts increasingly say no.

For almost a year, Americans have been looking forward to herd immunity, when enough people are protected through vaccination or past infection to stop the spread of COVID-19.

Once there, public officials have said, masks won't be necessary and hugging and handshakes – not to mention gyms, bars and indoor dining – can return.

But even as more than half of Americans have received at least one dose of vaccine and many others are protected by recent infections, health experts are moving away from the idea of reaching some magic number.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, doesn't want to talk about herd immunity anymore.

“Rather than concentrating on an elusive number, let's get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can,” he said at a White House briefing last week, a sentiment he's since repeated.
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Herd immunity in US likely impossible, but vaccines can control COVID
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Herd immunity may not be possible because a segment of the population doesn't want to be vaccinated, not because of mixed messages from the experts.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

73 years old.
Never had a pneumonia shot, a shingles shot, a flu shot, and haven't had a tetanus shot in over 25 years. I do take meds and insulin.

Worried about covid? No. Do I listen to the "experts"? Well I listen, but don't believe much of what they say. Keeping my hands clean and away from my nose and eyes is about it. I wear a mask only in stores that require it. Other than that I don't.
No problem.

I'm with you there. If there's a sign, 'Mask Required', I wear one. If it's only recommended, I don't.

I'm following our governor's advice. If you've been vaccinated you're immune. Act like it.

I'm just waiting to hear from Pete Buttigieg that wearing a mask is infrastructure......

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We are SO DONE with the continual (for well over one year now) mis-information / misleading / no information / changing information from the so-called "EXPERTS".

We are both fully vaccinated, and will follow the so-called "rules".. but HAVE HAD IT with 'expert leadership' messages and commucations to us>

front-page artcle on USA Today>

Is herd immunity to COVID-19 possible? Experts increasingly say no.

For almost a year, Americans have been looking forward to herd immunity, when enough people are protected through vaccination or past infection to stop the spread of COVID-19.

Once there, public officials have said, masks won't be necessary and hugging and handshakes – not to mention gyms, bars and indoor dining – can return.

But even as more than half of Americans have received at least one dose of vaccine and many others are protected by recent infections, health experts are moving away from the idea of reaching some magic number.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, doesn't want to talk about herd immunity anymore.

“Rather than concentrating on an elusive number, let's get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can,” he said at a White House briefing last week, a sentiment he's since repeated.
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Herd immunity in US likely impossible, but vaccines can control COVID
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We expect, we demand perfect answers.

In the real world it does not work that way.

What we do, what we should do is the best you can.

Polio. Polio has been wiped out in the United States. It was a horror. I walls a killer.
There were people in a device called an iron lung that would keep them alive till they finally mercifully died.

Before you were allowed to go to school you had to prove you were vaccinated.

Today, imagine the uproar if everyone was forced to get a covid vaccine.

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by MSchad

If you've had your vaccinations and believe you are protected, why worry anymore if that person or that person may not have been vaccinated? Throw your mask away and enjoy life. Or are you not totally sold on the vaccinations actually working?

Exactly

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

That's awesome. So, all of the "vaccinated" people should be comfortable leaving the rest of the population to make their own decision about whether to get the shot. Herd immunity is unnecessary then if 99.316% of those fully "vaccinated" can go about their lives and not worry about getting sick.

Only those who choose not to be injected would appear to be at risk. So, leave us alone.
We don't need "passports" or any other checks on our decision making if what you are saying is accurate.

Omg....this is the dumbest statement on this thread yet! Lol

[GPGuar]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

But, you can STILL pass it on, so as long I don’t die I don’t care attitude.

So just stay home... problem solved!!

[Byte1]

I believe that vaccinations are good, but I also believe they should always be voluntary. Quit shaming those that are afraid and won't get theirs. I believe that seat belts serve a purpose and are good, but believe they should be voluntary and not mandatory. I believe that motorcycle helmets are good but also believe they should be voluntary. Some states mandate them. The Constitution states that one MUST be a U.S. citizen to vote, so I believe that the only way to prove a voter's eligibility is to mandate a voter ID.
Everyone has their opinions on what is a Freedom issue versus what should be mandated.
I got my Covid shots, but I do not get a flu shot. My preference and no one shames me for it. My doctor offers it to me but respects my right to decline it. The flu is often life threatening to folks, yet I have NEVER seen anyone wearing masks during flu season. Okay, tell me that it is not as dangerous. "Tell that to the ones that died from it" I hear from those discussing covid.
Get over it. If you have your vaccinations, do what you wish. By now you know that attempting to shame some of us for returning to normality, is not working. Consider this; isn't it possible that someone is taking advantage of your easily manipulated mind? Maybe I am wrong, but it won't matter much to me because I am enjoying my life while others are wallowing in self inflicted misery. Not because I enjoy seeing others suffer, but but it is their choice and I respect their choice even if I don't agree with it.
Get over it. If you refuse to get vaccinated, it's your choice. Have fun wearing protective gear and worrying about folks getting too close to you. If you get your shots and then still fear for your life, why? You do not trust the vaccinations? Then why did you get them? Do you get the flu shot every year and then wear a mask to keep from catching the flu? How effective is the flu shot? Perhaps 30 - 40%, maybe 60% on a good year? The covid shot is almost 100% guaranteed to prevent death from covid. Can it get any better than that?
Let me put a twist on an over used term. It is your "patriotic duty" as an American to be an individual and make a free choice on what you do. It is NOT "patriotic" regardless of what someone in D.C. says to live as a collective and make choices based on what a group demands. Your "morale" is not dependent upon someone else's definition of "moral duty." "Charity" is voluntary given with "love", NOT mandatory.
I'll be out and about today, WITH friends from out of town. You will be able to ID us by the absence of masks on any of us. If that offends or frightens you, run for your home or just stay your distance. We probably won't notice you fleeing. You see, we have confidence that the vaccine they pushed on us actually works. I realize that we should not trust the advertising, but maybe we just wish for this to be over so we are easily convinced. Get your vaccinations and feel a little of this freedom too.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

73 years old.
Never had a pneumonia shot, a shingles shot, a flu shot, and haven't had a tetanus shot in over 25 years. I do take meds and insulin.

Worried about covid? No. Do I listen to the "experts"? Well I listen, but don't believe much of what they say. Keeping my hands clean and away from my nose and eyes is about it. I wear a mask only in stores that require it. Other than that I don't.
No problem.

Why do you bother with "meds and insulin?"

[Dilligas]

We have several factors going on....."experts" all have opinions and many differ. When they are working on something new like C-19, they are forced to learn as they go.....and that will provide changing opinions. The public generally reads or hears and believes what they want to see or hear. The C-19 virus is not an exact science yet (hopefully we will learn enough to get it more exact), and thus difference of opinions, what seems to be misleading information, and unfortunately, social media generally throws in "misinformation". We will know the facts and more accurate causes and out comes some time in the future when C-19 is contained or wiped out and science will have enough accurate information to analyze.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by MSchad

If you've had your vaccinations and believe you are protected, why worry anymore if that person or that person may not have been vaccinated? Throw your mask away and enjoy life. Or are you not totally sold on the vaccinations actually working?

Don't throw your mask away next winter - flu, coughs and colds at record lows this year everywhere because of masks. I'll be wearing one from Nov to April in future.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We are SO DONE with the continual (for well over one year now) mis-information / misleading / no information / changing information from the so-called "EXPERTS".

We are both fully vaccinated, and will follow the so-called "rules".. but HAVE HAD IT with 'expert leadership' messages and commucations to us>

front-page artcle on USA Today>

Is herd immunity to COVID-19 possible? Experts increasingly say no.

For almost a year, Americans have been looking forward to herd immunity, when enough people are protected through vaccination or past infection to stop the spread of COVID-19.

Once there, public officials have said, masks won't be necessary and hugging and handshakes – not to mention gyms, bars and indoor dining – can return.

But even as more than half of Americans have received at least one dose of vaccine and many others are protected by recent infections, health experts are moving away from the idea of reaching some magic number.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, doesn't want to talk about herd immunity anymore.

“Rather than concentrating on an elusive number, let's get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can,” he said at a White House briefing last week, a sentiment he's since repeated.
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Herd immunity in US likely impossible, but vaccines can control COVID
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It is a novel = NEW coronavirus so the advice has changed as the scientists and medical people have learned more about it. Do you really want the same advice as March 2020?