[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Nice rant and even nicer tag line.

Do you know Tony Fauci?
Have you ever had dinner with him?
Have you ever conversed with him?

Bottom line----when it comes to Fauci, you have no idea what you are babbling about.

And when it comes to your immune system being "just fine" due to Vit C,D, zinc and mag, you are even more clueless.

Did you get your polio vaccine? Or did you take vitamins and argue with the experts?
Smallpox? Tetanus? Diphtheria? Pertussis? Or is it just the COVID vaccine that gets your undies in a bunch?

Best post ever - Mr. Eagles! That was soaring!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

From a strictly "who will and will not get ill or die" point of view, you are correct.
However, the government is responsible to ALL the people, including the anti-vaxers. So with your philosophy we'll all be wearing masks for a long time. Who will pay the bill for those who last 1 month in the ICU? Who will pay for medical care of the long-haulers?

And BTW, IT IS A VACCINE!!! I've posted the definition of a vaccine several times, so now you can go look it up for yourself

The Eagle has landed again - catching disoriented, disinformation in its claws!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gmaf6

Because I get the flu, pneumonia, shingles shots doesn’t mean I won’t get those either.....once vaccinated, I choose to live my life without fear. We’ve had enough.....if you’re fearful, do what you want. It’s becoming more and more about control.

Not control, just empathetic people trying to fight a problem. And restore US quality of life!

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

My opinion is that many Village People are like little children in a car on a LONG trip - "Are we there yet?" - "When is this damn CV thing over with" - "I am impatient" - "I will stomp my feet and whine"! Also, they like to think of everything as black or white - neglecting the fact that most things in life are shades of grey. This CV crisis has brought out both of these failings - impatience and rash or superficial judgment.

I was seeing the subject of that USA article coming from a mile away (or 7 months ago). Just by reading the daily TOTV threads and posts, one could see that there was going to be a large amount or % of the local area residents that were NOT, likely NOT, going to take the vaccine. I stated that we could likely end up in a disaster where CV could have been defeated, but was NOT. It is looking more and more like the NOTs (the know nots) will carry the day and control US society. Ignorance is prevailing over Science. Dr. Atlas is beating Dr. Fauci in this tag team match to the death of potentially ONE million US citizens!

Other English-speaking 1st world countries like Australia and New Zealand (and also Japan) had THEIR CV under control even before the vaccines were developed. They could do it with masks, distance inside, and co-operation and teamwork. The US can't finish the job on CV even with vaccines. What has become wrong with our country?????!!!!!!!

Those countries completely closed their borders and basically stopped their citizens from entering or leaving the country. On the other hand, we let anyone into our country, citizens or not...

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Those countries completely closed their borders and basically stopped their citizens from entering or leaving the country. On the other hand, we let anyone into our country, citizens or not...

It doesn't look like that will end anytime soon either

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

Don't throw your mask away next winter - flu, coughs and colds at record lows this year everywhere because of masks. I'll be wearing one from Nov to April in future.

True. And that shows that masks are effective. But, masks were not used in the past for colds and flu because the risk of hospitalization or DEATH was NOT as great as from CV. The future might hold a lot of mask-wearing.

[Aloha1]

We WILL achieve herd immunity one way or another. Either through vaccinations or those who refuse to get vaccinated getting Covid.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Those countries completely closed their borders and basically stopped their citizens from entering or leaving the country. On the other hand, we let anyone into our country, citizens or not...

Totally agree with you.
To some folks, the grass will ALWAYS be better in another country. Maybe they should volunteer to take in a few covid infested illegal alien children to get a better perspective of just how great of a country we live in.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

We WILL achieve herd immunity one way or another. Either through vaccinations or those who refuse to get vaccinated getting Covid.

I really don't care how we do it as long as they do it behind the scenes and let the rest of us resume our NORMAL lives. They have had their fun and games with us, so its time for them to back off and let the lemmings run off the cliff while the rest of us just get back to our regular lifestyles.
Just remember that not everyone catches the flu that refuses the flu shot. I've refused it for 50 years and never had the flu. If I catch the flu in my twilight years, I guess it is my own fault. But, I accept the responsibility for it and do not blame others.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Interesting. Flu is being reported at a lower than average rate. Coughs and colds are not reportable so there is no way anyone knows if there are more or less than average.

Flu may be lower due to masks, or maybe because anything that can be reported as Covid is, or it may just be a lower than average flu season. There is no way to know.

But since it is likely that influenza viruses behave similar to coronaviruses as far as masks go, then the person wearing one is doing more to protect others than himself. So good luck wearing a mask from November through April, enjoy yourself.

Not trying to be argumentive. But, Australia reported that their flu season was MUCH less. They stated that it was due to mask-wearing due to CV. Australia's Flu season was in our summer, so they were in a good position to have early research.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I really don't care how we do it as long as they do it behind the scenes and let the rest of us resume our NORMAL lives. They have had their fun and games with us, so its time for them to back off and let the lemmings run off the cliff while the rest of us just get back to our regular lifestyles.
Just remember that not everyone catches the flu that refuses the flu shot. I've refused it for 50 years and never had the flu. If I catch the flu in my twilight years, I guess it is my own fault. But, I accept the responsibility for it and do not blame others.

THIS is NOT the "flu". This is not the seasonal flu that makes people sick and is a little different every year. THIS is a killer of people who are OLDER. KILLER. ONE OUT OF TEN DIE....if they get it. If they are MY AGE.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Those countries completely closed their borders and basically stopped their citizens from entering or leaving the country. On the other hand, we let anyone into our country, citizens or not...

True! And those countries did the RIGHT thing and protected their citizens. We, the US of A did the WRONG thing right from the get-go and HURT its citizens! I am just trying to point out areas of potential improvement that the US could have made during this Pandemic - because it is likely that other Pandemics will follow in the future. The globe is becoming smaller and more interdependent.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not trying to be argumentive. But, Australia reported that their flu season was MUCH less. They stated that it was due to mask-wearing due to CV. Australia's Flu season was in our summer, so they were in a good position to have early research.

No argument at all--it's certainly possible. But it's also possible it was due to other factors. No way to know for sure.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

We WILL achieve herd immunity one way or another. Either through vaccinations or those who refuse to get vaccinated getting Covid.

It may happen that way, but that USA article suggested that the CV problem could continue for years - with the spread jumping from one area of the US to another. In rural Idaho, they have ONLY a 25% vaccination rate. There are many variables. Herd immunity is NOT guaranteed!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Hedyg

I had the virus in November 2019-I have been vaccinated. In my opinion a mask protects ME not someone else. I feel I am capable of making my own decision as to whether to wear a mask or to go to a particular place-really fed up with businesses requiring masks and trying to avoid them when I can, unfortunately it’s impossible to avoid shopping altogether.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.