[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Police automatics are NOT single-action, but the Sig Sauer has been going off and shooting fellow Police Officers. Many incidents recently. So, if a modern expensive pistol can fire off unexpectedly (maybe from some bump) then an older single action with lesser metallurgy could fire off from a bump and possibly with the hammer down, but definitely with the hammer cocked.
.....But, most likely the actor had his finger on the trigger as he pulled back the hammer.

The Sigs were primarily fired when dropped or when holstered, leading one to believe their cover garment or a worn leather holster got caught on the trigger.

It almost happened to me when I took my concealed carry class. I was having trouble re-holstering my weapon. The instructor noticed my shirt tail was getting jammed into the holster when I tried to re-holster the gun. He taught me to maek sure I swept by shirt back to clear the opening of the holster.

There have also been cases when an old, worn holster folded over at the opening, catching the trigger as the gun was inserted...

Neither had anything to do with the Baldwin case, unless he was re-holstering the gun with the trigger cocked back... A major no-no...

And there is no such thing as a "Police automatic"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by PugMom

i think this would be the key argument. had there been NO live rounds, circumstances MAY have been different. yet on the other hand, i've heard blanks can hurt people as well.

Brandon Lee and Jon-Erik Hexum were killed when using blanks...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Can't remember if it was mentioned on TOTV or I read it somewhere, but didn't the crew/actors shoot at tin cans and other targets when filming was done for the day?
If they did, that was probably where the mixed ammo came about.

Correct. I read the same thing...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by pedwards2932

275 Million asked for but no account of what they settled for. Dan Rather was fired for his report on Bush......other than Lou Dobbs seems that Tucker and company are still working.......just saying

FOX News hasn't paid a dime yet... Just saying...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by PugMom

with all your experience, may i ask if you have ever worked with a modified weapon, & if so, what was the modification & why?

People modify weapons all the time.

For instance, the carry guns carried by the NYPD have a 12 lb trigger pull (it takes 12 pounds of pressure to pull the trigger). The manufacturer recommends a 5 lb pull.

A heavier pull makes the gun much less accurate. It may be one reasin why NYPD officers have shuch a low rate of hitting their target...

I've added ambidextrous slide releases and magazine releases to my guns (I'm a lefty), I've had trigger work done to improve the feel of the trigger.

I've changed out the stocks on rifles to fit my body better.

Nothing odd about it...

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Negligent homicide is a thing... Does not require "intent"...

Considering it was someone else's responsibility to do this, and considering that live ammunition was not supposed to be on the site and that it was someone else's responsibility to ensure this, and considering it is not common practice to hand someone a loaded gun with live ammunition on a movie site, I don't see how in any way, shape, or form you can find Baldwin responsible, unless you have no idea of ethical behavior. This is a unique and extraordinary situation that may have never happened before, and certainly not actually shooting someone.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Considering it was someone else's responsibility to do this, and considering that live ammunition was not supposed to be on the site and that it was someone else's responsibility to ensure this, and considering it is not common practice to hand someone a loaded gun with live ammunition on a movie site, I don't see how in any way, shape, or form you can find Baldwin responsible, unless you have no idea of ethical behavior. This is a unique and extraordinary situation that may have never happened before, and certainly not actually shooting someone.

And negligent homicide itself only happens when there is violence like a fist fight with no intent to kill someone but the violence ends up killing someone not an accident like this. Why are people so intent on incriminating an innocent person because he's a celebrity they don't like?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

I was confused, but the reason FOX agreed to pay was because not only did they realize they were going to lose but that it would expose their lying and deceitful behavior to the public who would lose faith in their news reporting.

This seems to be in the wrong thread, however.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Considering it was someone else's responsibility to do this, and considering that live ammunition was not supposed to be on the site and that it was someone else's responsibility to ensure this, and considering it is not common practice to hand someone a loaded gun with live ammunition on a movie site, I don't see how in any way, shape, or form you can find Baldwin responsible, unless you have no idea of ethical behavior. This is a unique and extraordinary situation that may have never happened before, and certainly not actually shooting someone.

Ethical behavior is checking to make sure your firearm is SAFE before pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger...

As I said before, if the scene required him to play "Russian Roulette", do you think he would "just take someone's word" that the gun was safe, or would he check for himself?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

And negligent homicide itself only happens when there is violence like a fist fight with no intent to kill someone but the violence ends up killing someone not an accident like this. Why are people so intent on incriminating an innocent person because he's a celebrity they don't like?

First of all, you couldn't be more wrong about what constitutes "negligent homicide"... I suggest you Google the definition...

Second of all, I don't give a rat's patootie about Alec Baldwin...

Third of all, YOU saying he's innocent means nothing...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

I was confused, but the reason FOX agreed to pay was because not only did they realize they were going to lose but that it would expose their lying and deceitful behavior to the public who would lose faith in their news reporting.

This seems to be in the wrong thread, however.

Ever hear the phrase, "Cheaper to keep her"?

Sometimes it's actually cheaper to settle than go thru a trial... Happens all the time...

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by jmintzer

Ever hear the phrase, "cheaper to keep her"?

Sometimes it's actually cheaper to settle than go thru a trial... Happens all the time...

cheap was not the desired outcome. Fox could have appealed up to sc. Brand protection was the goal as it should be

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

I was confused, but the reason FOX agreed to pay was because not only did they realize they were going to lose but that it would expose their lying and deceitful behavior to the public who would lose faith in their news reporting.

This seems to be in the wrong thread, however.

Agreed.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

First of all, you couldn't be more wrong about what constitutes "negligent homicide"... I suggest you Google the definition...

Second of all, I don't give a rat's patootie about Alec Baldwin...

Third of all, YOU saying he's innocent means nothing...

Agree on all counts. Amazing the know-it-alls on TOTV who know everything about everything!

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

They are just reporting the same story as everyone else...

I realize that you do want Baldwin to be innocent... But that doesn't male it so...

OJ was found to be "not guilty", but we all know how that went down...

As a director myself, I’ve directed many episodes of television and was a script supervisor for 30 years before that. I’m not retired and still direct. I just directed the Flash and have directed show such as Blue Bloods, Vampire Diaries and worked on Dexter, Entourage, The OC, and many other shows. There’s a very strict protocol when it comes to guns on set. The Armorer or prop master is in charge of all guns. The guns should never be in public and the only person who can get them is Armorer or prop person. Then the 1st Assistant Director must look into every chamber as the armorer turns it to show there’s nothing inside. At that point, the 1st AD calls out ‘cold gun’ at which point, he hands it over to the actor. There was a movie called The Crow, where an actor shot Brandon Lee (Bruce Lees son) with a blank, and killed him. That’s when the safety protocol went in place. That armorer was fired off a movie with Nick Cage months earlier for guns going off accidentally on set. I don’t like or dislike Alec Baldwin but there’s just now way he’s to blame when there are clear union jobs and armorer and 1st AD are the ones in charge of gun safety. As for the producer title. It’s a title. Almost every actor gets a producing title these days. As do all the writers. The only real producers are the Line Producer and the show runner.