[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Dahabs

You one of those who will argue your rights with a virus or is it just that you don't give a hoot about the person next to you?

I am one who is educated enough to know that my freedoms are more important than your psychosis.

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by Scott O

Nothing is complete protection to anything, we get up everyday and we live with numerous risks in life...did everyone just forget this? Heart attacks, strokes, flu, cancer, hit by a golf cart sorry my risks have been there and I work everyday since this started and I will NOT give up my freedom...period. If you chose to, have at it, do not impose your fears on me...show me the conspiracy? The one where I have been out everywhere and everyday and I’m fine, if one of any of these random illnesses or accidents happen, it’s called life, and I plan on continuing till that happens..and I will be more confident in my chances with CCP since the recovery rate is 99% not the case with other things...

I have to LOL at the pearl clutchers calling constitutionalists "nuts".

[graciegirl]

We all say the same thing over and over.

we all must be


Dumb as ROCKS.

[RonaldJ]

A lot of misconceptions in these replies. If I am not sick don't need face diaper. How do you know just because you don't have symptoms you are not the worst spreader of all. Just talking and breathing if 6' away won't spread virus. Fact, indoors without good ventilation virus can spread 18' and linger in air for hours. Correct, a face mask does not completely protect you. It is to protect others from those who may be carriers. Mandatory mask mandates is the only way to protect us from others that may carry the virus.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Malsua

How does Taiwan do it?

Easy. Strong border control. It's an Island. No land borders. Strict quarantines. It's not the masks.

Masks do not stop infection. They can help slow spread down and they can help reduce your exposure. It does NOT eliminate your exposure. If you are exposed while wearing a mask, you will probably have a better outcome. The fact is though, you're still exposed.

Don't take this as anti-mask. I think they can help indoors. They will not stop the pandemic.

If you want to mandate something, mandate that everyone needs to get their vitamin D level up to a healthy number. There have been many Random Controlled trials on this done so far and a healthy level of Vitamin D is associated with an 89% reduction in mortality. Hazard Ratio of .11 is ASTOUNDING and yet, here people are calling for mask mandates which, so far, have proved to be doing bupkiss. Mandates are in place in NY, NJ, CT and positive tests are still climbing.

Masks DO save lives. This is positively proven by the immediate decrease in cases (around 30%) that CITIES in Arizona like Phoenix, experienced AFTER they mandated the wearing of masks. It can be proven in the NEGATIVE by the fact that North Dakota (where masks are not often worn) has the WORLD's highest mortality rate due to COVID. It is proven by the CDCs recommendation. And recommendations by ALL respected US epidemiologists! Side note ; Dr. Atlas is merely a shill! He is neither respected nor an expert on infectious diseases. He is spreading DIS-information and propaganda designed to hurt Americans.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

We all say the same thing over and over.

we all must be


Dumb as ROCKS.

Best...post...ever...

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Masks DO save lives. This is positively proven by the immediate decrease in cases (around 30%) that CITIES in Arizona like Phoenix, experienced AFTER they mandated the wearing of masks. It can be proven in the NEGATIVE by the fact that North Dakota (where masks are not often worn) has the WORLD's highest mortality rate due to COVID. It is proven by the CDCs recommendation. And recommendations by ALL respected US epidemiologists! Side note ; Dr. Atlas is merely a shill! He is neither respected nor an expert on infectious diseases. He is spreading DIS-information and propaganda designed to hurt Americans.

How’s that working in Pennsylvania?!?!?

[Rosebud1949]

Yes the whole country will have to do, otherwise it will not work. As we see by the explosion of positives now people WILL NOT. They think its clever to yell at shop staff and restaurant owners wanting to protect their business and staff by stating masks must be worn.

Because you do not have it ( or think you do not, is more the truth) you go "patriotic" and refuse to wear one, and quote your constitutional rights. Well we all have rights, not to have our health endangered by these people.

Everyone could go out, enjoy some time out of the house, even eat in certain places, but this will NEVER HAPPEN while these selfish folk continue to rant. Diaper faces, is that what we are called by caring for our fellow man. Bring it on.... the thought killing someone is not on my agenda, sad if it is on yours.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Rosebud1949

Yes the whole country will have to do, otherwise it will not work. As we see by the explosion of positives now people WILL NOT. They think its clever to yell at shop staff and restaurant owners wanting to protect their business and staff by stating masks must be worn.

Because you do not have it ( or think you do not, is more the truth) you go "patriotic" and refuse to wear one, and quote your constitutional rights. Well we all have rights, not to have our health endangered by these people.

Everyone could go out, enjoy some time out of the house, even eat in certain places, but this will NEVER HAPPEN while these selfish folk continue to rant. Diaper faces, is that what we are called by caring for our fellow man. Bring it on.... the thought killing someone is not on my agenda, sad if it is on yours.

Thinking that people in any group all think the same way is NOT ACCURATE.

Our numbers here in The Villages show that most people are doing the right thing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Mortality is not the only risk with COVID-19. Millions of people - especially children - who RECOVER from the virus have permanent lung damage and injury and damage to other organs as well. COPD is up in recovered COVID-19 patients, compared with people who were never infected.

Vitamin D is not a treatment or preventative for COVID-19. It might very well help reduce mortality, but it doesn't prevent you from getting sick. However, if you are deficient, then taking Vitamin D can and will of course increase your ability to fight off ANY illness, because a deficiency in necessary nutrients is - a deficiency.

But that's basic health, and not related to COVID-19.

That is absolutely a great presentation of the facts! Dr. Fauci calls the people with continuing CV complications "long haulers". They HAUL around the CV symptoms like organ damage permanently. That is one of the main reasons that I quarantine myself strictly. I do NOT think that MOST TV Landers are aware of these additional risk factors and statistics
- when they choose to continue living in a "NORMAL" manner. It is a good local public service message that your post has provided. Kudos!

[SacDQ]

We already wear mask when we go out in public. It’s a personal choice.

[LG999]

It is actually illegal for the government to order ppl to wear masks. It is one more way the constitution protects citizens from govt over reach. So, govt officials actually can not order the state to wear masks.

[jmcote]

Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109

Yes. You’re correct. We can absolutely trust the numbers from a a communist country. They’ve been so honest during the whole thing. Wow....I have some swamp land to sell. Let me know if you’re interested, I’ll give you a good price!

Taiwan communist? Since when?

[graciegirl]

Numbers of deaths from Covid-19 by age;

COVID-19 Deaths by Age | The Heritage Foundation

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kappy

There is a misconception by many who believe that the masks are to protect the wearer. Although a mask has been shown to afford a degree of protection to the wearer, its main purpose is to protect other people FROM the wearer. The basic problem is that although a person may have no symptoms of COVID, they may still have the virus. Some of these people may never actually suffer symptoms and are just carriers, while most will show some signs 5-14 days after they first contacted COVID. In that period of time, without masking and distancing, think of all the people they could have transferred the virus to. If those transferees also refused to distance and mask, the likelihood is that a very large number of people in their circle will come down with the virus.

Many of the masks mandates that have been put into effect are very recent and they are not being enforced. You can readily see that what has been put into effect to date is not working. We are going into our tenth month and the numbers are becoming outrageous. Vaccines won’t be available to most of us before next April or May. If 90-95% of our people would adhere to wearing masks, we should be able to slow down the virus. If that does not happen, I believe that this pandemic will spiral out of control and our hospitals will be overwhelmed. That was the worry back in mid March when we had to close down the country for six weeks, which was very detrimental to our economy. We don’t want to have to do that again.

Very well written. Kudos! I have written several times about the 90-95% mask-wearing principle to bring the CV down to a controllable level. But, your writing is clearer. And I agree - your warning about not wearing masks causing the hospitals to become overwhelmed IS already happening in the Dakota states area. I COULD(?) happen here in The Villages. Yesterday there was a spike in cases upward to 157 in The Villages. AS the thread suggests The Villages should resist the unscientific DICTATE of our Governor and start our own self-imposed mask mandate. It is time for older people to show wisdom and warmth for their fellow humans. Greed for "NORMALCY" and politics have been PROVEN to NOT bring life-saving RESULTS. We need to start our own "grass roots" mask-wearing movement!