[Justus]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I see a video put out by the TEA PARTY, not actual non bias observers, narrated by someone with very close ties to the FEDERALIST, again not exactly non bias.

Having said that....I detest these protests, and wonder why we have no protests against people who slaughter 10 or so innocent people. There are simply statements that any man has the right to own and carry a war designed and made for war.

Mr Floyd was certainly not a model citizen, but reviewing everything from the arrest it self to the demonstrations and reaction by law enforcement, there is much to be embarrassed by on those who find these tragedies to be spark for more action.

We are a country divided and split by hate.....with no silver lining ahead. We embarrass ourselves every day....we long ago, shed the label of "the shining light on the hill".

This was posted to rile folks up and I am sure it will, yet others get banned because they defend our very government but then again.....all those folks had white skin and heavy weight backing.

It gets very difficult to want justice when so many are dedicated to the theory that justice belongs to a select few.

Those who preach on here about Villagers and how "we" did it the right way, and "we" deserve and others do not. That is pure bunk and I think you know it. Do you know how many more have all done it correctly and are on skid row ? Do you know how many have NEVER done the right thing, yet have led a charmed and wonderful life.

These generalities simply ignore reality but then again, we are living a fantasy life, aren't we ?

Yours is the first reference to race or perceived social disparity in this thread. Please don't start the "elitist Villagers" or "white privilege" conversation, as it is tiresome and irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the body cam evidence presented in the video by the OP.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I consider the points I made to be at least equal to discussing a video meant to slant existing facts.

I think discussing that is important to my country.

However, if this kind of thing tickles your fancy, have at it......what might you discuss on a thread like this ? Autopsy is done.....City has settled.....what is your point, but whatever.....got REALITY life to live.

The city settled very quickly, indubitably to avoid more riots, burning and looting. The autopsy evidence was diametrically contrary to their decision. George Floyd was a dead man walking before his encounter with police. Please explain how lynching police officers for performing their duties is "important" to your country...

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I consider the points I made to be at least equal to discussing a video meant to slant existing facts.

How exactly were the "facts" slanted in the video?

[PJOHNS2654]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not just while he died. An argument can be made that he struggled violently up until the end and needed to be held down with force. I don't believe it, but it's an excuse that could, theoretically, work.

What won't work is ANY excuse that he CONTINUED kneeling on Floyd's neck AFTER he learned Floyd no longer had a pulse and had ceased struggling. He REFUSED to let up. The video shows this, it's clear, there's no way around it. The cop caused Floyd's death, and made SURE he was dead by continuing to cut off his circulation after he no longer had a pulse.

That is the unforgiveable part, and the part that needs to be punished. That is what makes it not "homicide" but "murder."

I started this thread because I am a retired LEO and was ashamed of the way this cop treated Floyd as portrayed in the limited videos in the main stream media. After viewing this more detailed video. it was obvious to me that the cop was not applying that much force to Floyd's neck as he (Floyd) was able to raise it. I was also unaware of the amount of this deadly drug in Floyd's system.

I now think that " The Powers To Be" quickly filed charges to try and quell the "Civi Unrest" and then pressured the Coroner to issue the finding he did.

[Reiver]

A carotid restraint does not cut off oxygen but instead puts pressure on the carotid arteries to diminish blood-flow to the brain and where properly deployed will render a subject unconscious in 4-7 seconds. Injury or death is plausible if the arteries remain constricted for more than 20 seconds.

Tell me more about how his blood was cut off for 8 minutes...

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Reiver

A carotid restraint does not cut off oxygen but instead puts pressure on the carotid arteries to diminish blood-flow to the brain and where properly deployed will render a subject unconscious in 4-7 seconds. Injury or death is plausible if the arteries remain constricted for more than 20 seconds.

Tell me more about how his blood was cut off for 8 minutes...

Won't pretend to understand the explanation you gave. Medicine and economics are not my sweet spot, but appreciate what is an attempt to clarify.

Someday, all these juvilnile conspiracy theories may go away. Tired of YouTube, Facebook, etc masquerading as fact. At least the National Enquirer was only available in certain stores, where those who lived in that fantasy world could "get their fix"

It has become so mainstream and relished (and unbelievably believed) by far too many.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that."

[Bay Kid]

Didn't Floyd and the police officer work together as bouncers at a local bar?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Didn't Floyd and the police officer work together as bouncers at a local bar?

I seem to recall that.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Justus

The city settled very quickly, indubitably to avoid more riots, burning and looting. The autopsy evidence was diametrically contrary to their decision. George Floyd was a dead man walking before his encounter with police. Please explain how lynching police officers for performing their duties is "important" to your country...

How despicable of you to use the word lynching in your screed. Lynching is as any aware and educated person would know, perhaps that includes you, is not what is happening when a cop who is charged with homicide is given a trial and a presumption of innocence. Lynching is what happened to mostly Black americans who were grabbed from their homes and often from jails and with the tactic support of "police" were murdered by white people. Of course a few Jews and others got lynched too as all "others" were at risk. Almost no lynching cases ever resulted in a prosecution or a conviction. How dare you suggest that Chauvin is being lynched. Disgusting. Your word choice was not hyperbole so don't use that as an excuse.

Here's real lynching not so long ago here in Florida. Yes it's long, but read it and let the images burn into your memory so you'll never use the term lynching again to describe the Chauvin trial

Claude Neal (b. 1911 – d. October 26, 1934) was a 23-year-old African-American farmhand who was arrested in Jackson County, Florida, on October 19, 1934, for allegedly raping and killing Lola Cannady, a 19-year-old white woman missing since the preceding night. Circumstantial evidence was collected against him, but nothing directly linked him to the crime. When the news got out about his arrest, white lynch mobs began to form. In order to keep Neal safe, County Sheriff Flake Chambliss moved him between multiple jails, including the county jail at Brewton, Alabama, 100 miles (160 km) away. But a lynch mob of about 100 white men from Jackson County heard where he was, and brought him back to Jackson County.

The time and place of the lynching were provided to the news media in advance and reported on nationwide, attracting a huge crowd. The spectacle lynching had been announced to take place at the Cannady farm, but the crowd had grown unruly, and a smaller group murdered Neal in secret. He was tortured and mutilated before being hanged by the instigators at a site along the Chattahoochee River, near Greenwood, Florida. They tied his body to the back of their truck and dragged his corpse to the Cannady farm, where a white crowd estimated at 2,000 attacked the corpse by stabbing it with sticks and knives. Later that night Neal's body was hanged from a tree in the courthouse square. When the sheriff discovered it in the morning, he cut it down.

A large group of whites went to the courthouse in Marianna, demanding that the body be hanged again so they could see it. When the sheriff refused, they began rioting, assaulting the courthouse, attacking blacks in the area, injuring 200, and looting and burning houses. The body was displayed on the courthouse steps so that anyone interested could see it.

In the next few days, whites rioted in an attempt to drive blacks from the county, injuring an estimated 200 persons, including two police, and destroying black-owned property. Finally the governor called in more than 100 troops of the National Guard to suppress the white rioting

[Justus]

Originally Posted by blueash

How despicable of you to use the word lynching in your screed. Lynching is as any aware and educated person would know, perhaps that includes you, is not what is happening when a cop who is charged with homicide is given a trial and a presumption of innocence. Lynching is what happened to mostly Black americans who were grabbed from their homes and often from jails and with the tactic support of "police" were murdered by white people. Of course a few Jews and others got lynched too as all "others" were at risk. Almost no lynching cases ever resulted in a prosecution or a conviction. How dare you suggest that Chauvin is being lynched. Disgusting. Your word choice was not hyperbole so don't use that as an excuse.

Here's real lynching not so long ago here in Florida. Yes it's long, but read it and let the images burn into your memory so you'll never use the term lynching again to describe the Chauvin trial

Your vitriolic response was predictable. And I stand with my original assessment.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Justus

Please explain what you mean by "trash"? Is it the unedited body cam footage, or the presentation by the former Federal and State Prosecutor who has thoroughly investigated the evidence of the case?

"Trash" might be harsh but it would be hard to argue that the presentation is unbiased.

The former Federal and State Prosecutor uses the video to make his points. He generated the video, he knows what is in it, yet he puts words into the mouth of the store owner that are not present on his video.

The video is edited to cut out several minutes between approaching the car and sitting Floyd on the sidewalk. The video is also edited to cut about six minutes of time the officer spent kneeling on Floyd's neck. Perhaps it was only edited to remove periods of time where nothing was happening but it was edited.

If the officer is being accused of kneeling on the neck for an unnecessarily long period of time then editing the video to reduce that amount of time seems suspicious.

[Shbullet]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;1922162]"Trash" might be harsh but it would be hard to argue that the presentation is unbiased.

The former Federal and State Prosecutor uses the video to make his points. He generated the video, he knows what is in it, yet he puts words into the mouth of the store owner that are not present on his video.

The video is edited to cut out several minutes between approaching the car and sitting Floyd on the sidewalk. The video is also edited to cut about six minutes of time the officer spent kneeling on Floyd's neck. Perhaps it was only edited to remove periods of time where nothing was happening but it was edited.

"Perhaps it was only edited to remove periods of time where nothing was happening" There was a lot happening during this time...He was slowly being killed! Should not have been edited IMO

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

"Trash" might be harsh but it would be hard to argue that the presentation is unbiased.

The former Federal and State Prosecutor uses the video to make his points. He generated the video, he knows what is in it, yet he puts words into the mouth of the store owner that are not present on his video.

The video is edited to cut out several minutes between approaching the car and sitting Floyd on the sidewalk. The video is also edited to cut about six minutes of time the officer spent kneeling on Floyd's neck. Perhaps it was only edited to remove periods of time where nothing was happening but it was edited.

If the officer is being accused of kneeling on the neck for an unnecessarily long period of time then editing the video to reduce that amount of time seems suspicious.

To clarify MY use of the word "trash"....

I use it to describe...

.....Sending of false information and purporting it to be accurate

.....disseminating disinformation on any subject.

It speaks directly to the author and his/her dishonesty and lack of respect for any reader.

When you see a video on YOUTUBE, you must consider its source........that channel is used daily to present DISINFORMATION, which some weak people will believe.

[Swoop]

The fact is that if Floyd was white, the story wouldn’t have even been covered by the national news media...

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bucco

To clarify MY use of the word "trash"....

I use it to describe...

.....Sending of false information and purporting it to be accurate

.....disseminating disinformation on any subject.

It speaks directly to the author and his/her dishonesty and lack of respect for any reader.

When you see a video on YOUTUBE, you must consider its source........that channel is used daily to present DISINFORMATION, which some weak people will believe.

You opinion, that’s it.