[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

I usually think of you as a voice of reason among the chaos...having a LEGAL firearm in your house that you are trained to use has no meaning in your post. Telling us you have none in your house has even less. *sigh*

Has the final bastion on this forum becoming biased. Say it ain't so.

I am 81 years old. I have never known or seen or heard of a shooting in my neighborhood. We both have tried to work hard and save and not buy foolish or unneeded things so that our children could live in a safe area with good schools. We enjoyed that kind of life and so we continued to pick safe areas to live.

Not everyone has or should have a political philosophy that hits every single thing of the party they recently voted for. We feel safe and when we do not feel safe we will buy things or change things. So far. So good. I don't know what the future will bring but I don't have any thing anyone would want. The kids don't even want the dishes. I don't like expensive jewelry and even thieves can buy their own TV set and have it put in the car for not a lot of dough. I would feel quite nice if someone would steal one of my paintings.

I am kidding around but don't let this white hair fool ya. You run your railroad and I'll run mine.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Kaiser Family Foundation - Media Bias/Fact Check

Deaths Due to Firearms per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

This is from 2019. Has it changed much since then?

We haven't guns in our house, but many friends have guns.

It takes a year or more for the FBI statistics on shooting nationwide and by state to come out, but before that, some cities or states release their own statistics. I believe I’ve read in the NYTimes that shootings have been up a lot in poorer areas of cities. I think Covid drove many young people stir crazy, and staying home in a cramped apartment for a year has probably destroyed a lot of marriages, and losing jobs and not being able to pay the rent has caused immense stress. Thus, more shootings and more deaths.

Yes, the statistics for firearms deaths are accurate. Only half as many Hispanics die from being shot by firearms as do Euro-Americans, and twice as many African-Americans. Noticing that isn’t racist. It’s just statistics. We should add that among African-Americans, the vast majority of those shot and killed are young males from impoverished neighborhoods, and the shooters are nearly always young African-American males from impoverished neighborhoods. The shootings are generally gang or drug related. The Brady report quoted above says, “Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are ten times more likely than White Americans to die from it. And Black youth fare even worse. Black children and teens are fourteen times more likely to die from gun homicide than their White counterparts.” The FBI reports show that in the vast majority of cases, whites shoot whites, blacks shoot blacks, and Hispanics shoot Hispanics, and in all ethnicities, the shooters are usually poor, young, and male, and drugs and alcohol and gangs are generally involved.

I would conclude from the above that you and I live in one of the safest places in America. Violence here seems to be nearly always between men and women or grown children living together, following arguments and drinking, and the physical manifestation of that is likely a push or a slap. The spiritual and emotional manifestations are much worse than the physical, alas. I’d say spend that extra money doing something fun with your husband instead of buying a gun you will never need to use.

[Joe C.]

Gracie, you'll never get an accurate answer to your post. There's just too much complicated information that can be spun to anyone's advantage. The subject matter is as controversial as politics, religion and covid vaccinations.

[KYtoTV2021]

George Floyd died about 15 months ago. Since then, blacks have murdered about 10,000 other blacks. Can you name two? One? Me either.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Kaiser Family Foundation - Media Bias/Fact Check

Deaths Due to Firearms per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

This is from 2019. Has it changed much since then?

We haven't guns in our house, but many friends have guns.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by birdawg

Let’s talk about percentages of people on television commercials

I see people in nearly every commercial.
Why don’t you say what you mean???
Is this called a dog whistle?

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by LoisR

Who are you looking to blame? How about the NRA and the politicians they support them?

To my knowledge the NRA has not killed one single sole.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

Gracie, you'll never get an accurate answer to your post. There's just too much complicated information that can be spun to anyone's advantage. The subject matter is as controversial as politics, religion and covid vaccinations.

I know that. I knew that. I was attempting to define the problem and gather facts.

[Blackbird45]

What should be looked at is not race and shooting, but poverty.
When the person is in a position in life and wants to keep it that way.
The usually stay out of trouble.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Sadly, it is virtually impossible to find information on race, guns that is not spun by bias.
I find it interesting that the areas with the tightest gun controls are also the areas with the most shootings-New York, Chicago, LA.

You're correct. Strict gun control has little effect on gun crime.

What does have an effect on gun violence is the strict adherence to law and order. We need to stop identifying gun violence as a race/social justice/poverty/police brutality/etc issue. When law enforcement is allowed to do its job and the prosecution of criminals is done properly, gun violence is reduced substantially.

Take a look at the leadership of the cities with the highest rate of gun violence. That leadership has commonalities. It has reduced the effectiveness of its police force. And, it has reduced the legal jeopardy associated with all criminal acts.

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1963359]I know that. I knew that. I was attempting to define the problem and gather facts.[/QhUOTE]
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Any death by gun (any death actually) is a tragedy for all involved. Does not matter the race, ethnicity or anything else. Placing labels to discuss is fruitless.

Understanding the “why” requires much much more than the color of ones skin, unless you actually believe those with a dark skin are actually born to kill people or violate the law.

As others have stated, and is my opinion, so much killing is a result of economics. Yes, there are some bad people by nature, economic frustration and desperation drive people to extremes. Add an ingredient of being looked at, as a human being, as being different or inferior (no matter the color of skin) and that drives many the wrong way.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I see people in nearly every commercial.
Why don’t you say what you mean???
Is this called a dog whistle?

Yes it is. Folks simply look for things to hate....fear....make less of than themselves.....whatever.

As long as we do that, future is grim. People are people and it is that simple.

And thanks for calling this what it is Bogie.

[Rr23070]

Really…how many shootings have there been in TV?

[taruffi57]

Why "twist" the simple posting?

[LateBoomer]

[QUOTE=Bucco;1963390]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I know that. I knew that. I was attempting to define the problem and gather facts.[/QhUOTE]
—————————————-
Any death by gun (any death actually) is a tragedy for all involved. Does not matter the race, ethnicity or anything else. Placing labels to discuss is fruitless.

Understanding the “why” requires much much more than the color of ones skin, unless you actually believe those with a dark skin are actually born to kill people or violate the law.

As others have stated, and is my opinion, so much killing is a result of economics. Yes, there are some bad people by nature, economic frustration and desperation drive people to extremes. Add an ingredient of being looked at, as a human being, as being different or inferior (no matter the color of skin) and that drives many the wrong way.

studies/statistics say otherwise. if poverty were the primary factor in violent crime, then why does places in rural West Virginia or Florida have so much less violent crime. rates? If poverty were the cause of crime, the per capita crime rate among poor people would exhibit a strong correlation with socio-economic status, but no correlation at all with race among people who are equally rich or equally poor. to the contrary, statistics show that there’s an even stronger correlation between crime and race than there is between crime and social class. The best predictor of the crime rates in an area is almost always its racial demographics. sorry if you can't deal with facts, but this IS a fact.

Until this country can be honest about the facts - that one group in society is very disproportionately committing crime, and its largely not discussed because it's an uncomfortable truth, we will never have honesty. People see whats going on, no matter how many people are "taking knees", babbling about "social justice" (whatever on earth THAT means, anyway).

if the majority group in this country was committing 4x the amount of crime as the ones not in the majority, I'm sure that's all we'd hear about. but it's the opposite.

liberals are simply dishonest because the truth does not fit their narrative

[taruffi57]

So what are the perps ethnicity percentages? (we all know that general answer)