[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Most gun deaths in the US are "gang related", as well...

Yep. People don't invade others homes unless they know what's inside. In the UK, its knives instead of guns.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I worked with a guy that owned a fully automatic sub machine gun and competed in shooting matches for this class of weapons. A friend of his was from the D.C. area where he competed in sub machine gun matches in the east coast area. He said that Brady was an avid shooter who owned a sub machine gun and competed frequently in matches in that area.

Yes, and sadly, when he became a vegetable, Sarah Brady devoted her life to destroying the Second Amendment, and got fame and fortune doing it. Her efforts would have been better spent lobbying to get nut cases like Hinkley off the streets, but that was not nearly so glamourous a pursuit. So here we sit 40 years later, innocent gun owners having to defend their Constitutional right to defend themselves and their families against the thugs terrorizing our neighborhoods.

[Justus]

[QUOTE=Bucco;1963390]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I know that. I knew that. I was attempting to define the problem and gather facts.[/QhUOTE]
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Any death by gun (any death actually) is a tragedy for all involved. Does not matter the race, ethnicity or anything else. Placing labels to discuss is fruitless.

Understanding the “why” requires much much more than the color of ones skin, unless you actually believe those with a dark skin are actually born to kill people or violate the law.

As others have stated, and is my opinion, so much killing is a result of economics. Yes, there are some bad people by nature, economic frustration and desperation drive people to extremes. Add an ingredient of being looked at, as a human being, as being different or inferior (no matter the color of skin) and that drives many the wrong way.

If economics were the cause, the Welfare State would have solved the problem of violence. It has failed miserably. The societal destruction of the nuclear family is the proximate cause of today's youth gang affiliation, drugs and violence. An insidious, organized effort to remove parental control has left children without guidance and a sense of right and wrong. We have created a monster. Throwing money at it is a horrible solution. "As the twig is bent, so grows the tree..." Taking guns from law-abiding citizens is not the answer!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Justus

Yes, and sadly, when he became a vegetable, Sarah Brady devoted her life to destroying the Second Amendment, and got fame and fortune doing it. Her efforts would have been better spent lobbying to get nut cases like Hinkley off the streets, but that was not nearly so glamourous a pursuit. So here we sit 40 years later, innocent gun owners having to defend their Constitutional right to defend themselves and their families against the thugs terrorizing our neighborhoods.

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Billy1

A persons fear can be measured by the number of guns they have. Seek the love of God.

People who don't own guns should put a sign on their homes indicating such, so that perps will break into those houses of us fearful people with guns. We'll see how that works...

[Justus]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

Not true. The MSM does not report these cases because it contradicts their position. It doesn't mean they don't happen. Open yourself up to some real facts. Please read "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott...a former anti-gun advocate who researched the facts.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

You really need to do some research. There are many instances that a mass killing was stopped, thwarted, by an armed citizen, and some more that were stopped while that shooting was in progress. A simple search will prove you wrong.............again.
You also have to realize most mass killings are done in "gun free zones" where the "normal" armed citizen obeys the law.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

He killed two and would have killed more if not for the civilian who stopped him...

Texas church shooting: Gunman killed by churchgoer named - BBC News

And here are multiple cases where a civilian stopped a shooter...

Mass Shootings & Armed Civilians Who Stop Them | National Review

Logic would tell you that no one can stop a mass shooting before it begins because you don't know it's going to happen until the shooter starts shooting...

I know... Logic has no place in these discussions...

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

The mainstream media rarely publishes news of lawful gun owners stopping all sorts of crimes from murder down to shop lifting. That is why we "rarely ever hear" about it. It literally happens nearly every day somewhere in the USA.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

Opinion: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings? (2015)

In Missouri, a Good Guy With a Gun Stepped Up — So Can You (2019)

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

You are living in a CNN news bubble. A bubble you deride The Villages for being. Two gun cases in the news just recently. But then I watch FOX instead of leftist censored propaganda.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Justus

People who don't own guns should put a sign on their homes indicating such, so that perps will break into those houses of us fearful people with guns. We'll see how that works...

Oh stop. Almost all people who get themselves all het up about this have testosterone. People who lived in areas like the Midwest lived at the time and near people who hunted rabbits etc for food and they had guns. Almost every farm girl could shoot fairly well. I think most people are smart enough to sense the changes that happen. There is now more crimes in Mount Dora and Leesburg and more violent ones in Wildwood than there were fifteen years ago. You can talk until the cows come home but we didn't all just fall off the turnip truck. I know about guns, my grandfather and uncle were police officers for decades.

You run your railroad and I will run mine. It is too late to talk about removing guns from those that have them. That ship has sailed. That horse is out of the barn. Now we deal with assessing what is happening because we cannot affix a moral direction into adults who have been raised by someone their parents would not trust with the car keys.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Oh stop. Almost all people who get themselves all het up about this have testosterone. People who lived in areas like the Midwest lived at the time and near people who hunted rabbits etc for food and they had guns. Almost every farm girl could shoot fairly well. I think most people are smart enough to sense the changes that happen. There is now more crimes in Mount Dora and Leesburg and more violent ones in Wildwood than there were fifteen years ago. You can talk until the cows come home but we didn't all just fall off the turnip trump. I know about guns, my grandfather and uncle were police officers for decades.

You run your railroad and I will run mine. It is too late to talk about removing guns from those that have them. That ship has sailed. That horse is out of the barn. Now we deal with assessing what is happening because we cannot affix a moral direction into adults who have been raised by someone their parents would not trust with the car keys.

If you'd read my post, it was tongue-in-cheek in response to the person who labeled legal gun owners as fearful. I repeat...put the thugs away and leave the law-abiding, legally gun-owning citizens alone. There has been a concerted effort to remove guns from the law-abiding, as opposed to doing that. So that's my railroad...

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Justus

If you'd read my post, it was tongue-in-cheek in response to the person who labeled legal gun owners as fearful. I repeat...put the thugs away and leave the law-abiding, legally gun-owning citizens alone. There has been a concerted effort to remove guns from the law-abiding, as opposed to doing that. So that's my railroad...

I apologize. I see that you do deserve your name. I was wrong. I will try to do better.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The mainstream media rarely publishes news of lawful gun owners stopping all sorts of crimes from murder down to shop lifting. That is why we "rarely ever hear" about it. It literally happens nearly every day somewhere in the USA.

I love reading "The Armed Citizen" when America's First Freedom mag gets here.
But it is the NRA so few will click on this link.....................

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/

...................and if they do they won't read much of it