[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

In the American Rifleman, a magazine I receive for being an NRA member, publishes every month a list of 6 - 8 articles from city newspapers citing incidents where legally armed citizens using their firearm to protect themselves and others from criminals. All you have to do is go to the newspaper cited as the source to verify it is true. It is estimated that armed American legally use their personal firearm to stop a crime over 2 millions times a year. This doesn't mean they shot someone to stop the crime. In many cases, just the simple brandishing of the firearm caused the criminal to stop and go elsewhere and find an easier target.
The only reason you don't hear about legally armed citizens thwarting a criminal act is that it doesn't meet the "If it bleeds it leads" mentality of our sorry excuse for journalists. Plus it goes against the media's anti-gun propaganda, can't have a positive story about gun ownership.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

In the American Rifleman, a magazine I receive for being an NRA member, publishes every month a list of 6 - 8 articles from city newspapers citing incidents where legally armed citizens using their firearm to protect themselves and others from criminals. All you have to do is go to the newspaper cited as the source to verify it is true. It is estimated that armed American legally use their personal firearm to stop a crime over 2 millions times a year. This doesn't mean they shot someone to stop the crime. In many cases, just the simple brandishing of the firearm caused the criminal to stop and go elsewhere and find an easier target.
The only reason you don't hear about legally armed citizens thwarting a criminal act is that it doesn't meet the "If it bleeds it leads" mentality of our sorry excuse for journalists. Plus it goes against the media's anti-gun propaganda, can't have a positive story about gun ownership.

I'm not a gun fan. I'm personally against firearms. All of them. I'm absolutely anti-NRA as it exists today.

But if I ever read a story in a mainstream newspaper, or on mainstream TV, about a citizen in Las Vegas carrying her weapon legally, and managing to successfully prevent the mass shooter by getting him first square in the middle of his forehead, I would be VERY happy to have read it. I would have joined in the masses hailing her as a hero.

That didn't happen though.

It also didn't happen at the Pulse nightclub. Or in Newtown CT. Or at Stoneman Douglas High. Or Rockford IL, Tampa FL, Boynton Beach FL, Atkins, Arkansas, Chicago, Venus, TX, or any of the other dozens of shootings involving more than one victim in a public location around the country in the past few years.

Rapid-fire weapons exist to harm as many people as possible in the shortest period of time. That is why they were invented, why they are marketed, why they exist. Sure lots of people just use them for target shooting at the range. But that's not what they're for.

And no one has successfully stopped a mass shooter from shooting masses with rapid-fire weapons - and in fact, no one has even TRIED to shoot a mass shooter while the mass shooter was actively shooting people...

If someone had stepped up, it would've made national news.

Threatening Jimbob from stealing yer beer at the redneck rave isn't newsworthy (unless Jimbob's throat gets slit or his mom gets impaled on a log, which actually happened this week).

[LateBoomer]

yeah? and gun bans work so well. as in Chicago???

again, the problem with folks like you is that you think that guns just jump up and shoot people all by themselves, because its an unspeakable horror to actually assign blame to criminals, especially when they fall extremely within a fairly small segment of society.

in fact, seems like some of you are actually cheering on criminals and do anything you can to assist them - no more requiring cash bail. Defunding the police. Decriminalizing crimes to the point where it becomes commonplace (see what's going on in SF at the moment).

I get it. it's part of a political narrative. but the rest of us? I think we'll protect ourselves thanks

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not a gun fan. I'm personally against firearms. All of them. I'm absolutely anti-NRA as it exists today.

But if I ever read a story in a mainstream newspaper, or on mainstream TV, about a citizen in Las Vegas carrying her weapon legally, and managing to successfully prevent the mass shooter by getting him first square in the middle of his forehead, I would be VERY happy to have read it. I would have joined in the masses hailing her as a hero.

Does it also have to happen on a Tuesday, in the Fall, after 8PM, and with the sun shining at a 45 degree angle in order to be valid for you?

You wrote you had heard of NONE, you were provided links to several, you choose to ignore the data.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That didn't happen though.

It also didn't happen at the Pulse nightclub. Or in Newtown CT. Or at Stoneman Douglas High. Or Rockford IL, Tampa FL, Boynton Beach FL, Atkins, Arkansas, Chicago, Venus, TX, or any of the other dozens of shootings involving more than one victim in a public location around the country in the past few years.

Of course it didn't happen in those cases, if it HAD happened then there wouldn't be those cases.

You don't hear about mass shootings that were prevented because, well, they were not mass shootings. Articles are written about the citizens preventing the tragedies but they aren't as sexy and don't make the national news.

Plus, you were provided with cases where that DID happen and you chose to ignore them which could lead one to believe that you are a tad biased and have somewhat selective memory.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Rapid-fire weapons exist to harm as many people as possible in the shortest period of time. That is why they were invented, why they are marketed, why they exist. Sure lots of people just use them for target shooting at the range. But that's not what they're for.

And no one has successfully stopped a mass shooter from shooting masses with rapid-fire weapons - and in fact, no one has even TRIED to shoot a mass shooter while the mass shooter was actively shooting people...

If someone had stepped up, it would've made national news.

Again, you were provided with articles, you choose to ignore them.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Threatening Jimbob from stealing yer beer at the redneck rave isn't newsworthy (unless Jimbob's throat gets slit or his mom gets impaled on a log, which actually happened this week).

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not a gun fan. I'm personally against firearms. All of them. I'm absolutely anti-NRA as it exists today.

But if I ever read a story in a mainstream newspaper, or on mainstream TV, about a citizen in Las Vegas carrying her weapon legally, and managing to successfully prevent the mass shooter by getting him first square in the middle of his forehead, I would be VERY happy to have read it. I would have joined in the masses hailing her as a hero.

That didn't happen though.

It also didn't happen at the Pulse nightclub. Or in Newtown CT. Or at Stoneman Douglas High. Or Rockford IL, Tampa FL, Boynton Beach FL, Atkins, Arkansas, Chicago, Venus, TX, or any of the other dozens of shootings involving more than one victim in a public location around the country in the past few years.

Rapid-fire weapons exist to harm as many people as possible in the shortest period of time. That is why they were invented, why they are marketed, why they exist. Sure lots of people just use them for target shooting at the range. But that's not what they're for.

And no one has successfully stopped a mass shooter from shooting masses with rapid-fire weapons - and in fact, no one has even TRIED to shoot a mass shooter while the mass shooter was actively shooting people...

If someone had stepped up, it would've made national news.

Threatening Jimbob from stealing yer beer at the redneck rave isn't newsworthy (unless Jimbob's throat gets slit or his mom gets impaled on a log, which actually happened this week).

"and in fact, no one has even TRIED to shoot a mass shooter while the mass shooter was actively shooting people..."

A quick web search will prove you wrong. I found dozens of incidents where mas shooters have been downed by armed civilians. I do not need to list all of them here as they are innumerable. Do some homework on your own. But here is just a small sampling:

-- Former National Rifle Association instructor who lives next door to the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Spring, Texas, grabbed his AR-15-style rifle after hearing the gunfire and went over to investigate. Confronting the shooter, Devin Kelley, Willeford shot him in the leg and torso before Kelley dropped his weapon and fled the scene in his SUV.


-- In 1997, the assistant principal of Mississippi’s Pearl High School, Joel Myrick, used the .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol he kept in his truck to detain 16-year-old Luke Woodham after the teenager stabbed and bludgeoned to death his mother at home and killed two students and injured seven at the high school.

-- In 2007, Matthew Murray killed four people at Colorado Spring church before being shot by church member and volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam.

--An Uber driver with a concealed-carry permit shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people in Chicago’s Logan Square.

-- An usher at a Tennessee church used his personal firearm to subdue a masked gunman who had already killed one woman in the church’s parking lot and injured six others inside.

Your posts tend always to be full of insults and lack of truth. Intellectually lazy much are you?

[spd2918]

Its a free country (so far). If you don't like guns, don't get one. But you are not going to prevent me from defending myself because gang bangers are killing each other in blue cities.

I saw a movie once in which only the police and the military had guns. It was called "Schindler's List."

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not a gun fan. I'm personally against firearms. All of them. I'm absolutely anti-NRA as it exists today.

But if I ever read a story in a mainstream newspaper, or on mainstream TV, about a citizen in Las Vegas carrying her weapon legally, and managing to successfully prevent the mass shooter by getting him first square in the middle of his forehead, I would be VERY happy to have read it. I would have joined in the masses hailing her as a hero.

That didn't happen though.

It also didn't happen at the Pulse nightclub. Or in Newtown CT. Or at Stoneman Douglas High. Or Rockford IL, Tampa FL, Boynton Beach FL, Atkins, Arkansas, Chicago, Venus, TX, or any of the other dozens of shootings involving more than one victim in a public location around the country in the past few years.

Rapid-fire weapons exist to harm as many people as possible in the shortest period of time. That is why they were invented, why they are marketed, why they exist. Sure lots of people just use them for target shooting at the range. But that's not what they're for.

And no one has successfully stopped a mass shooter from shooting masses with rapid-fire weapons - and in fact, no one has even TRIED to shoot a mass shooter while the mass shooter was actively shooting people...

If someone had stepped up, it would've made national news.

Threatening Jimbob from stealing yer beer at the redneck rave isn't newsworthy (unless Jimbob's throat gets slit or his mom gets impaled on a log, which actually happened this week).

You've been given multiple instances of exactly those things. You just (as usual) choose to ignore them...

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[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not a gun fan. I'm personally against firearms. All of them. I'm absolutely anti-NRA as it exists today.

But if I ever read a story in a mainstream newspaper, or on mainstream TV, about a citizen in Las Vegas carrying her weapon legally, and managing to successfully prevent the mass shooter by getting him first square in the middle of his forehead, I would be VERY happy to have read it. I would have joined in the masses hailing her as a hero.

That didn't happen though.

It also didn't happen at the Pulse nightclub. Or in Newtown CT. Or at Stoneman Douglas High. Or Rockford IL, Tampa FL, Boynton Beach FL, Atkins, Arkansas, Chicago, Venus, TX, or any of the other dozens of shootings involving more than one victim in a public location around the country in the past few years.

Rapid-fire weapons exist to harm as many people as possible in the shortest period of time. That is why they were invented, why they are marketed, why they exist. Sure lots of people just use them for target shooting at the range. But that's not what they're for.

And no one has successfully stopped a mass shooter from shooting masses with rapid-fire weapons - and in fact, no one has even TRIED to shoot a mass shooter while the mass shooter was actively shooting people...

If someone had stepped up, it would've made national news.

Threatening Jimbob from stealing yer beer at the redneck rave isn't newsworthy (unless Jimbob's throat gets slit or his mom gets impaled on a log, which actually happened this week).

I do not wish to be one of many to gang up on you, BUT I would like to remind you that most of the mass shootings are conducted in "Gun Free Zones" such as schools, movie theaters, bars, etc. If one was to utilize a legally obtained weapon inside one of those places to STOP a mass shooting, I guarantee that that person would be charged and never allowed to legally possess a firearm again.

I also hear that it is the folks that are scared that have the guns. Some of us were gifted guns that meant something to someone. Some of us enjoy target shooting, and in my case just not good at archery. Like I said in an earlier post, my guns have never left the house on their own power and started a mass shooting. In my opinion, that kind of proves that guns are not killing folks. People are dangerous. Some folks carry concealed. Why ? Because we wish to be able to protect those that we care about. No matter how much martial arts training we have, we do get older. AND, no matter how good you are, there is always someone better. A weapon is an equalizer. Let's be honest, humans are violent. That will never change. Some more violent than others.
If you are scared of guns, don't own one. I don't like certain cars, but I will not tell you that you cannot own one.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not a gun fan. I'm personally against firearms. All of them. I'm absolutely anti-NRA as it exists today.

But if I ever read a story in a mainstream newspaper, or on mainstream TV, about a citizen in Las Vegas carrying her weapon legally, and managing to successfully prevent the mass shooter by getting him first square in the middle of his forehead, I would be VERY happy to have read it. I would have joined in the masses hailing her as a hero.

That didn't happen though.

It also didn't happen at the Pulse nightclub. Or in Newtown CT. Or at Stoneman Douglas High. Or Rockford IL, Tampa FL, Boynton Beach FL, Atkins, Arkansas, Chicago, Venus, TX, or any of the other dozens of shootings involving more than one victim in a public location around the country in the past few years.

Rapid-fire weapons exist to harm as many people as possible in the shortest period of time. That is why they were invented, why they are marketed, why they exist. Sure lots of people just use them for target shooting at the range. But that's not what they're for.

And no one has successfully stopped a mass shooter from shooting masses with rapid-fire weapons - and in fact, no one has even TRIED to shoot a mass shooter while the mass shooter was actively shooting people...

If someone had stepped up, it would've made national news.

Threatening Jimbob from stealing yer beer at the redneck rave isn't newsworthy (unless Jimbob's throat gets slit or his mom gets impaled on a log, which actually happened this week).

So if you don't read about it, it didn't happen. Very enlightened thinking! If you will do some searching on the internet you will find numerous stories of private citizens protecting themselves with a firearm reported by local news agencies. The national media won't touch those stories because it goes against their anti-gun stance. Many of those places you cited are gun free zones so there wouldn't be any honest citizens there carrying their weapon in order to stop the criminal. Nearly all concealed carry classes tells you that you are not a LEO and do not to try and step in and stop a criminal unless you or family/friends are in immediate danger. You carry a weapon to protect yourself and those close to you, not the general public.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

IIf you are scared of guns, don't own one. I don't like certain cars, but I will not tell you that you cannot own one.

But cars never killed anyo...

Oh, wait...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Nearly all concealed carry classes tells you that you are not a LEO and do not to try and step in and stop a criminal unless you or family/friends are in immediate danger. You carry a weapon to protect yourself and those close to you, not the general public.

Yup!

[Aloha1]

Having some popcorn waiting to see which of the "usual suspects" will cause this thread to be closed. Any bets?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Having some popcorn waiting to see which of the "usual suspects" will cause this thread to be closed. Any bets?

Some of them seem to have gone missing for the past day or so...

Maybe a "time-out" was given?