[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by Bucco

"The Great Barrington Declaration was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think tank with financial ties to the Koch brothers, known for funding organizations associated with climate change denial."

Great Barrington Declaration - Wikipedia

Everything has familiar beginnings, it seems.

I've seen it and consider it a valid argument to not take the vaccine. I'm of the opinion that my delay in getting the shot might help me see what side effects may arise, if any.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.

I believe he did say this is why HE/SHE is not getting the vaccine, and for those who do to become well informed regarding the substances others are urging them to take. And yes, these posts are all our OPINIONS.

[HapEvillager]

My 45 yr. old son-in-law is an assistant professor in anesthesiology at a well-respected university hospital. In November my 12 yr. old granddaughter was exposed at school and tested positive, and later my son-in-law. They had mild symptoms. When he went back to work after quarantine he was assigned to the Covid unit. This was early November. He received his first and second doses of vaccine, less than 90 days post infection. He is very science based in his practice and definitely advocates the vaccine. As a retired RN, I advocate it, as well. We have been fortunate to receive both doses with no adverse reactions.

[Packer Fan]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Packer Fan, studies in South Africa indicate people who had Covid do not have immunity against their variant. And that highly contagious variant is already here in the US. People who have had Covid are reinfected with the new variant.

Who says, the "experts". Don't trust them. Look at the new case curves, they don't show that to be true at all

[mike234]

well, one correction. we are sheep. if the product is free, we will line up for days for it, then reline up for free seconds. and if the government says to do it, we will do it
baaaa, baaaa, baaaa

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mike234

well, one correction. we are sheep. if the product is free, we will line up for days for it, then reline up for free seconds. and if the government says to do it, we will do it
baaaa, baaaa, baaaa

I really don't agree with that at all. It is not just OUR government, but respected doctors and scientists all over the world agree that there is a very serious illness that is dangerous to everyone and especially so to older people, and now there is a way to vaccinate against it. Each person needs to do their own research and make their own decision. Most of us know that not all things found on the internet or even heard in a church pew are valid information about Covid-19.

There are sources that people have trusted and depended on for years.

People should seek information from their own M.D.s and read information from respected and valid medical sources.

Had you considered that it all may be true and that the vaccine may keep you from getting this virus??

I don't know you. I am sure you know that none of us ever will be forced to take any vaccine.

[matandch]

God speed and good lucky with that. I, for one, living as long as I have want to go from something I’ve earned by virtue age like a heart attack, or stroke and not by a pandemic virus.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

WOW - well the entire medical community and the CDC disagree.

Actually, the "entire medical community" does not disagree. It's just the noisy ones on mainstream media that tow the company line.

There are MANY medical voices raising alarm about this vaccine and its long-term effects. There are many medical voices that have shown that hydroxychloriquine is a safe and effective treatment for Covid-19. This is a drug that has been prescribed for decades and suddenly the "entire medical community" bans it for this particular use?

Now that's a conspiracy. When have you ever seen a drug banned (not recalled) from use for a particular treatment because it is "ineffective"? If harmful, I would understand.
But, there's a sinister motive in banning it as ineffective. My guess is to push the shot (it's not a vaccine).

May all you lemmings be properly innoculated with the shot (not a vaccine). I'm already protected by my immune system. I got it from God.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Nice job plucking statements from sources that allegedly prove your point. Where has it been scientifically proven that overcoming Covid-19 (OR EVEN GETTING THE VACCINE) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year? That fact you WERE a REGISTERED NURSE and an EMT does not give you the right to tell OTHER PEOPLE not to get vaccinated. Your bonifides don't classify you as a scientist, immunologist or even a doctor. I'm glad you don't "CLAIM" to be an expert but your statement tries to make you look like one and could affect the lives of others. You are entitled to sn opinion but please state it JUST YOUR OPINION.

Where has it been proven that getting the shot (it's not a vaccine) gives you lifetime immunity or even immunity for a year?

So, go get the shot (not a vaccine) if you like. Leave others alone who prefer their God-given immune system handle it for them.

[Leadbone1]

You can talk yourself into or out of anything if you work hard enough at it! I have had the first shot of the Moderna vaccine and looking forward to getting my second. I do believe the vaccines were sufficiently tested. You can’t compare the technology today to what was going on even 10 years ago and especially not 50 years ago! People who don’t feel this way can just skip the vaccine.
It’s all personal choice. And, I do not wear a mask as I think it’s a ridiculous premise to believe that the virus cannot go through or around a piece of cloth on your face. To each his own. I think we still have the freedom of choice in this country? For a little while anyway!

[crazydeb10@yahoo.ca]

I am not sure where you got your information, but you are very wrong. You can get Covid-19 again. Many people have. Perhaps you might want to re think your decision. It could save your life and someone else's life.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

All the research I have read, says those who have had Covid-19, their natural immunity starts to deplete after 3-6 months.
I have never seen a report that states it is a life time immunity.
So for better or worse, and I hope better, my wife and I have willingly taken the Vaccine.
Pretty sure vaccination will be an ongoing thing when they finally find how long the actual vaccine gives immunity for, plus upgrades, as more variants are found.
Mtc.

"plus upgrades" - LOL - that's funny. Lemmings are going to keep getting inoculated with each "variant" they identify? That's just crazy. How did nations and billions of people become so focused and concerned about one virus (and its close cousins) to warrant all the turmoil. If you discount all the inflated counting of Covid-19 deaths, it's STILL only about 1% mortality. And THAT 1% is highly concentrated among those with other comorbidity issues (heart disease, kidney disease, COPD, immunocompromised, etc). Why are the masses hysterical about this? It's completely irrational. The chance of any healthy person under 60 having an issue with this virus is almost nil. And, even the elderly who are otherwise healthy are not having an issue. My friend's mom (91 year old) got Covid from her caretaker (assists with shopping, cooking, household - not medical care). She had to do her 2-week quarantine as a result. Not even a sniffle.

It's the weak and the frail that are most at risk. Yes, they should be protected ... but not by impacting the 99% of the population with lock downs, job losses, and other unwarranted restrictions.

Talk about fear. It's those fearful of this big, bad boogey man that are driving this nonsense.

[dleroux57]

Thank you, thank you.

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Ditto, thank you...retired Nurse as well...let the vultures start circling to peck it to death.

[Timothyimitchell]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had covid and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The covid virus is not one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if i did not previously have had covid i would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the cdc says; “active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

the who (world health organization) had this to say. “vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “people with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or hiv) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - who

“vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - nih (national institute of health)

example: “the united states stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - cbs news, 60 minutes

these new covid vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the ifpma, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “it takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the international federation of pharmaceutical manufacturers & associations.

The nih, cdc, biomedical advanced research and development authority (barda), and the department of defense (dod) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project ows which stands for “operation warp speed”. - source/nih’s national institute of infectious diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose epa said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the dod who had no qualms conducting lsd experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to agent orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the u.s. And europe due to harmful side effects. from 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the fda as safe & effective were recalled. this information was obtained from the fda’s official website.

My final concern is that the covid vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger rna vaccines (mrna) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mrna - source/cdc

i am not an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. i have had the dpt, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, hbv, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have not already had a positive covid test, i would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the who; “most people infected with the covid-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” covid is not on a plane with ebola, the plague, cholera, malaria, or yellow fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately i have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on covid have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when i see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

i am a retired rn, emt-paramedic with an asn degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past american heart association certifications in advanced cardiac life support and pediatric advanced life support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the pennsylvania state police academy and served as the chief deputy coroner for a county in pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of aids/hiv, h1n1, mrsa & necrotizing fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have i seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

i only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. i do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor walter brennan was often quoted from an old television show, the guns of will sonnett; “no brag, just fact".

- david h. Dallas, rn-asn, emt-p, retired

agree