[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

This quote is taken from the link you provided: “He adds that his team's analysis shows that almost every single one of the 100 million unvaccinated Americans who hasn't had COVID-19 yet will likely get it in the coming months”.
Based on that, we will achieve herd immunity pretty quickly…

But, the point IS all these UNvaccinated will NOT have mild symptoms. Some of them will be tortured by the disease in a hospital and then some of these will DIE. How can that be thought of as a good thing? They are our friends and neighbors. They have occupations and skills that benefit all of us. There are also moral issues in wanting herd immunity happening from suffering versus a vaccine. Sorry, I don't understand!

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

a gentle reminder - (from another post elsewhere)

Imagine being born in 1900.
When you are 14 years old
World War I begins
and ends when you are 18,
with 22 million dead.
Shortly after the world pandemic,
flu called ′′ Spanish ",
killing 50 million people.
You go out alive and free,
and you are 20 years old.
Then at the age of 29 you survive the global economic crisis that started with the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange causing inflation, unemployment and hunger.
Nazis come to power at 33.
You are 39 when world war 2. begins
and it ends when you are 45 during the Holocaust (Shoah), 6 million Jews die.
There will be a total of more than 60 million dead.
When your 52th Korean war begins.
When you are 64, the Vietnam war begins and ends when you are 75.
A baby born in 1985 believes his grandparents have no idea how hard life is,
and survived several wars and disasters.
A boy born in 1995 and 25 today believes that the end of the world when his Amazon package takes more than three days to arrive or if he doesn't exceed 15 likes for his posted photo on Facebook or Instagram...
In 2020., many of us live in comfort, have access to various sources of entertainment at home and often have more than needed.
But people complain about everything.
They have electricity, phone, food, hot water and a roof over their heads.
None of this existed.
But humanity survived much more serious circumstances and never lost the joy of life.

Maybe it's time to be less selfish, stop whining and crying

Totally Totally agree!

[mike bales]

another so-called village expert speaks

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Via the words of the CDC's own director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, vaccines are now failing, and vaccinated people may now carry higher viral loads than unvaccinated people, contributing to the spread of covid.
The vaccine hoax is now collapsing as vaccinated people are now catching the "delta" variant and spreading it to other vaccinated people. Even worse, the vaxxed are the "super-breeders" who are incubating yet more dangerous vaccine-immune covid mutations.
Thus, people who signed up to be vaccinated not only got played by the CDC, they are now the super-spreaders and super-breeders who are worsening the entire pandemic.

I am sorry, but those facts and sentiments are coming from some dark cave of strange dark media speculation. I am sad to see such words echoing through a basically normal place like TV Land. It is disappointing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BigSteph

I'm new to the Villages.

Wow, the level of discourse here is surprising. I suppose I thought it was limited to the very young and young on social media.

I have a very religious friend who sees the world from the teachings of the Bible and the sermons on Sunday and Wednesday. There is no debate, so we never debate.

Some people deny a creator and other are sure of it.

Some people believe a person is born gay, others believe it is a choice.

Some people believe Trump is the best political leader ever, and others do not. Some in the same party do not.

Some believe in trying a vaccination to stem off potential death, others do not.

In none of the cases above, do I think I can convince you to change a belief by simple argument, regardless how compelling I feel it is.

Over time and through observation, I have changed my opinion on things I once disbelieved or denied.

I don't think there is a quick fix or a pithy factoid that will convince people to change their views on Covid and the Vaccine.

I got the vaccine at the first opportunity and I was aware of the emergency authorization. I made that decision for myself and cannot make it for others. I won't try to convince you one way or the other -- for one, I'm no expert, and two, you don't really care what I think.

Well, I cared enough to read your post...........but not enough to buy you lunch.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

But, the point IS all these UNvaccinated will NOT have mild symptoms. Some of them will be tortured by the disease in a hospital and then some of these will DIE. How can that be thought of as a good thing? They are our friends and neighbors. They have occupations and skills that benefit all of us. There are also moral issues in wanting herd immunity happening from suffering versus a vaccine. Sorry, I don't understand!

Did you read my post? About the couple who got COVID even though they are fully vaccinated and one of them is seriously ill? There will be no true herd immunity as long as there are variants emerging. There's one variant here already and others are on the way. We might ALL get COVID eventually, vaccinated or not.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Ignoring more of your post, the largest racial group that is not vaccinated. The largest political group that is not vaccinated is the republicans.

I guess they are still waiting for it to magically disappear in April.

So no one around you has gotten sick. Yeah, right. Okay, uh, seriously? So, you know and communicate with every single person you have come into contact with in the past year. You NEVER go into stores, you NEVER go to gas stations, you NEVER golf, you NEVER pick up your mail. And every single person you know and have come into contact with has reported back to you on regular occasions that they are still COVID-free. And they know this because every single one of them is regularly tested.

Seriously, no wonder you NEVER got the virus, you live in total 100% isolation.

It is possible that CV goes away in April................April 2067

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

Please stop making nonsensical statements. 85% in April was not possible. First of all, vaccinations were only opened up to those under 65 starting at the beginning of April in many locations. 83% of the population is under 65 so most people did not have access to vaccinations in April. Secondly, about 18% of the population is under 12 and are still not eligible for the vaccine.

Well, I know for a fact that people under 65, but working in hospitals locally got vaccinated in January. Also, rich privileged people at a fancy resort in Miami near the Keys of various ages got vaccinated in January. Please feel free to check the Miami newspapers about this.

If everyone eligible to get vaccinated (with NO, ZERO anti-vaxxers) had STARTED getting vaccinated in April the US would have been near zero hospitalizations by mid-July. And we could have avoided the Delta variant in the US. Then we could have started helping other parts of the world. Incidentally, Japan and Australia were handling the Virus pretty well EARLY ON before any vaccine simply because they had the willpower nationwide to do it.

I am basically saying that if the US had the national will to do it, we would have "herd immunity" by now. And I am processing why we did NOT have that unified willpower. We did have it for WW2 - remember!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

What's also scary is that they won't admit their ignorance or uncertainty about the effectiveness of the vaccine. My daughter went to her hairdresser yesterday and the woman was wearing a mask. She knew she had been fully vaccinated for awhile and asked her why. She said she'd been exposed to COVID and had taken two tests which were negative but it was an extra precaution out of concern for her clients, which was nice of her.

Both her parents, who had been fully vaccinated since March, got COVID and her father is very ill and might have to be hospitalized. Her siblings also had it along with other family members. So does the vaccine really work against the variants? It'd be nice if someone without a vested interest, political or otherwise, would tell us. Maybe they have but we don't want to listen?

97% of all US Doctors have gotten their vaccines. That IS a pretty powerful fact!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Depends on what you mean by "really work". It seems most people think "really works" mean 100% effective, completely prevents any infections.

NO vaccine is 100%. effective. The current vaccine was developed (designed) to fight the original COVID-19. It was very very effective against the original COVID-19. There is no doubt, there are countless studies by professionals that actually work in the field of epidemics and pandemics that show this They do not show 100% effectiveness, but very close.

The variant happened. No need to point fingers about why, it happened, now we need to deal with that DELTA variant. The initial studies (which are limited in scope - for many reasons so far) show that DELTA is very much more contagious than the original virus. So, many more people will get it. Initial indications are the DELTA, a new virus that can infect some people that have been vaccinated for the original virus. It appears the vaccine is about 80% effective, meaning about 20% of the people that have been vaccinated may get the DELTA. But, that is very preliminary data and should be taken with a grain of salt. There seems to be no doubt that some people that have been vaccinated can be infected by the DELTA variant. So, CDC recommended returning to wearing masks until we have more data to show exactly how effective the vaccine is.

BUT, so far all indications are that the vaccine is very effective in preventing serious symptoms and/or hospitalizations in people that become infected with the DELTA variant. Of the people in many (most?) hospitals with COVID now, MOST (over 90%) are unvaccinated.

I can't find a number from any "credible source" of how many of the people who are fully vaccinated and get DELTA and die. It is generally estimated as very few. most that die from DELTA are unvaccinated.

The vaccines were designed to primarily prevent hospitalization and deaths - NOT to prevent cases. so far, I would have to applaud that design criterion.

"Whatever doesn't kill you, mutates gets stronger, and again tries to kill you".......some GREAT philosopher

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The vaccines were designed to primarily prevent hospitalization and deaths - NOT to prevent cases. so far, I would have to applaud that design criterion.

"Whatever doesn't kill you, mutates gets stronger, and again tries to kill you".......some GREAT philosopher

Funny, that’s revisionist history. Because that’s not what the public was originally told…

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, I know for a fact that people under 65, but working in hospitals locally got vaccinated in January. Also, rich privileged people at a fancy resort in Miami near the Keys of various ages got vaccinated in January. Please feel free to check the Miami newspapers about this.

If everyone eligible to get vaccinated (with NO, ZERO anti-vaxxers) had STARTED getting vaccinated in April the US would have been near zero hospitalizations by mid-July. And we could have avoided the Delta variant in the US. Then we could have started helping other parts of the world. Incidentally, Japan and Australia were handling the Virus pretty well EARLY ON before any vaccine simply because they had the willpower nationwide to do it.

I am basically saying that if the US had the national will to do it, we would have "herd immunity" by now. And I am processing why we did NOT have that unified willpower. We did have it for WW2 - remember!

Short answer: Maybe, and maybe not. A ton of suppositions in that post

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Did you read my post? About the couple who got COVID even though they are fully vaccinated and one of them is seriously ill? There will be no true herd immunity as long as there are variants emerging. There's one variant here already and others are on the way. We might ALL get COVID eventually, vaccinated or not.

There will be no herd immunity as long as the virus has ripe lovely non-immune hosts in which to mutate. Herd immunity is -most efficiently- achieved via vaccination.

Sadly, too many people reject science. They're fine with putting up a wall to stop immigrants (and the wall won't actually stop them) but they're not fine putting up a wall to stop the virus. Walls are only useful for people they consider undesirable.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

97% of all US Doctors have gotten their vaccines. That IS a pretty powerful fact!

The actual number is 96% and that was based on a survey of 301 doctors…
Hardly representative of ALL US DOCTORS…

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

97% of all US Doctors have gotten their vaccines. That IS a pretty powerful fact!

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19 | American Medical Association

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19 | American Medical Association