[QueenBee1]

The meds were for HBP and Statins both are now at great levels, I started eating this way because I was having horrible joint and muscle pain and thought I would give this a try, and within 2 weeks all my pain went away. I am basically a healthy person with a BMI of 23 that is trying to live my retirement as pain free as possible and this HFLC and medium protein life style works for me. I actually love this way of eating.

[NotGolfer]

I have to post here as well. I can't have gluten either (did you know it's in most processed foods...sometimes "hidden"?) as I'm highly sensitive to it. I've been eating this was for almost 2 years and have never felt better. I too have "lost" medications or decreased some as well. My A1c has come into normal range, my BP is perfect, my thyroid is with-in "normal" range. I've lost weight (working on losing more). Brain-fog is gone (some of this is due to auto-immune issues and the meds I have to take for them, pain is gone or has decreased depending on what the cause is. It's a process! Most folks don't research what is best for them.....they just eat what they like and continue on. I wouldn't diss something if you haven't done it. I read that article and was encouraged as it corraborated the way of eating I'm on.

I agree, the scientists keep changing their theories....this however isn't a theory who so many folks I know are doing it with wonderful results. Health-care providers are saying "whatever you're doing, keep it up!"

[PR1234]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Why do you think it's a great way to eat? For weight loss? How long have you been practicing this way of eating?

I've done this WOE (way of eating) for maybe 3 years give or take. It is not easy at first for sure, and there are times when I just have to have that piece of pizza or cake (oh and that pesky Villages movie popcorn;-). The truth is, if you take the time and planning you can make substitutes for anything you want! Most days I try to stay below 20 carbs.

For me it started out as weight loss, then after doing so much research I decided regardless if I lost or not I felt great, was never hungry, got rid of acne and rosacia.... and also got rid of most of my allergies.

I am also on several FB groups that have thousands of people on them that have used this WOE not only for weight loss, but diabetes,cancer,epilepsy and many other things.

It's something that you have to research for yourself to see if it could work. Begin with the book I recommended earlier, Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore and Eric Westman MD. It is a very simple and straightforward type of book to help give you some answers. Also, Maria Emmerich has some great books and cook books.

Other good books although not specifically LCHF books, but they do lead to a better understanding of what we are eating is NOT working. Wheat Belly by Willam Davis and Grain Brain by David Perlmutter MD.

It's been a long journey and I don't expect 'most' people to embrace it the first time they hear about it. After all since the 70's, we have been trained to believe FAT is NOT good:-(

[QueenBee1]

That's Great! My Doctor says the same thing, keep doing what you are doing! There is a lot of us out there doing this because it works!

[Barefoot]

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[PR1234]

Great explanation how this whole 'fat is bad, causes high cholesterol MYTH' came to be.

The science of saturated fat: A big fat surprise about nutrition? - Features - Health & Families - The Independent

[NotGolfer]

Originally Posted by PR1234

I've done this WOE (way of eating) for maybe 3 years give or take. It is not easy at first for sure, and there are times when I just have to have that piece of pizza or cake (oh and that pesky Villages movie popcorn;-). The truth is, if you take the time and planning you can make substitutes for anything you want! Most days I try to stay below 20 carbs.

For me it started out as weight loss, then after doing so much research I decided regardless if I lost or not I felt great, was never hungry, got rid of acne and rosacia.... and also got rid of most of my allergies.

I am also on several FB groups that have thousands of people on them that have used this WOE not only for weight loss, but diabetes,cancer,epilepsy and many other things.

It's something that you have to research for yourself to see if it could work. Begin with the book I recommended earlier, Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore and Eric Westman MD. It is a very simple and straightforward type of book to help give you some answers. Also, Maria Emmerich has some great books and cook books.

Other good books although not specifically LCHF books, but they do lead to a better understanding of what we are eating is NOT working. Wheat Belly by Willam Davis and Grain Brain by David Perlmutter MD.

It's been a long journey and I don't expect 'most' people to embrace it the first time they hear about it. After all since the 70's, we have been trained to believe FAT is NOT good:-(

I agree that it's a journey! I think you and I are on the same "wave-length" here. I began with Wheat Belly, went to Grain Brain now am on the 7 Principles of Fat Burning by Eric Westman and son will be starting The Cholesterol Myth by Jimmy Moore. I'm finding that while this woe isn't easy...it definately is simple AND a mind-set. Our culture surrounds us with food...it's a way we connect with people AND we're unudated with commercials (foods) and of course all of the restaurants. We definately "are" what we eat!!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by QueenBee1

The meds were for HBP and Statins both are now at great levels, I started eating this way because I was having horrible joint and muscle pain and thought I would give this a try, and within 2 weeks all my pain went away. I am basically a healthy person with a BMI of 23 that is trying to live my retirement as pain free as possible and this HFLC and medium protein life style works for me. I actually love this way of eating.

Good for you! I find it surprising. He recommends high protein, high fat and to cut out as much "junk food" as possible. So what do you think made it a success. The high-fat protein part or the fact that you cut out "junk food"? Or, a combination of everything?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by PR1234

I've done this WOE (way of eating) for maybe 3 years give or take. It is not easy at first for sure, and there are times when I just have to have that piece of pizza or cake (oh and that pesky Villages movie popcorn;-). The truth is, if you take the time and planning you can make substitutes for anything you want! Most days I try to stay below 20 carbs.

For me it started out as weight loss, then after doing so much research I decided regardless if I lost or not I felt great, was never hungry, got rid of acne and rosacia.... and also got rid of most of my allergies.

I am also on several FB groups that have thousands of people on them that have used this WOE not only for weight loss, but diabetes,cancer,epilepsy and many other things.

It's something that you have to research for yourself to see if it could work. Begin with the book I recommended earlier, Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore and Eric Westman MD. It is a very simple and straightforward type of book to help give you some answers. Also, Maria Emmerich has some great books and cook books.

Other good books although not specifically LCHF books, but they do lead to a better understanding of what we are eating is NOT working. Wheat Belly by Willam Davis and Grain Brain by David Perlmutter MD.

It's been a long journey and I don't expect 'most' people to embrace it the first time they hear about it. After all since the 70's, we have been trained to believe FAT is NOT good:-(

I'm not overweight (BMI 18) and I seem to be healthy on any diet I try. I went from the Zone regimen to the blood type diet, then Paleo and now vegan. So I already have done a lot of research.

You might wonder what I was looking for. Over the years I was searching for the most ideal diet that would provide for the lowest cancer risk possible. What changed my life was when I found and read the following book. "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell. In his book the author explains why animal protein promotes cancer. Obviously, causing and promoting are two different things but he explains everything in detail. He wrote the book after a lifetime of research. And the China study was a large long-term study.

I did read Wheat Belly and read some of Grain Brain but was not as impressed. I don't recall reading anything to suggest that they had any large long-term study to back up their claims.

There's the Seventh Day Adventist study of vegetarians who have an average life span of 88. Then there's the Okinawan study and they live longer and healthier than the average American. And The China Study. So there are many large long-term studies that point to better health and longevity with either low protein or even no animal protein.

If someone has celiac disease I can understand why they would need to eliminate certain grains. But where are the large long-term studies showing that a high-fat, high-protein diet is good for health and longevity?

I believe the standard American diet consists of high protein and the average American is not healthy in their older years. Although their life span isn't bad because of medical procedures. But their overall quality of life is generally poor in their later years, at least compared to the other groups I mentioned.

[PR1234]

I don't agree with 'High' protein either. For me too much protein just turns to sugar. I try to eat a Ketogenic diet which is high fat,moderate protein and low carbs. Again, one of the best books to explain this WOE is Keto Clarity by Jimmy Morre and Eric C. Westman, MD. It will then lead you to read Cholesterol Clarity by the same.

[Villages PL]

I have found many sources that claim a high fat diet will raise the risk of having a stroke. One source that I consider to be reliable is the book, "Food Your Miracle Medicine", by Jean Carper.

Another source is the Journal of the American Medical Association. They claim that a high fat diet causes 300,000 deaths per year.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I have found many sources that claim a high fat diet will raise the risk of having a stroke. One source that I consider to be reliable is the book, "Food Your Miracle Medicine", by Jean Carper.
Another source is the Journal of the American Medical Association. They claim that a high fat diet causes 300,000 deaths per year.

There is a lot of controversy on the subject of high fat diets; it's always interesting to hear different viewpoints.
I'm surprised that you would consider Jean Carper to be a reliable source; I believe she is not a doctor, but a journalist who has written 24 books?
Could you please provide a link to the AMA claim that you mentioned? Thanks.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by PR1234

Great explanation how this whole 'fat is bad, causes high cholesterol MYTH' came to be.

The science of saturated fat: A big fat surprise about nutrition? - Features - Health & Families - The Independent

Thanks for referencing this article, it's very interesting.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

There is a lot of controversy on the subject of high fat diets; it's always interesting to hear different viewpoints.
I'm surprised that you would consider Jean Carper to be a reliable source; I believe she is not a doctor, but a journalist who has written 24 books?
Could you please provide a link to the AMA claim that you mentioned? Thanks.

Jean Carper is not just a Journalist, she's a science writer. Just about everything she writes comes from interviewing leading specialists. Not every specialist has enough material or time to write their own book. So she picks up a lot of good information that might never have been reported otherwise. What she doesn't do: As far as I know, she has never written her own diet book.

Search: How High-Fat Diets Cause Obesity and Other Serious Health Hazards.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Thanks for referencing this article, it's very interesting.

The article you refer to, The Science of Saturated Fat, is indeed interesting. But the all important question is: Does it really prove the point that it's trying to make?

They have to go all the way back to Ancel Keys in the 1950s to find a faulty study and then blame everything on that? Holy Cow!

To prove that a high fat diet isn't bad they point to the Masai Warriors in Kenya in the 1970s. The article says they ate meat, milk and blood. I saw the Masai Warriors in action on TV. They lived a very primitive lifestyle. They were thin and did lots of running etc. and the meat they ate was extremely lean NOT grain feed beef like we have here in the U.S. The article didn't mention anything about their lifespan. Why use them as an example with incomplete information? Did they die of cancer in their 50s?

India 1967 research: The article said 1 million railway workers ate 8 to 19% more fat than others but lived on average 12 years longer. 12 years longer than what? Under what conditions? Were the other railway workers (the control group) starving? Again, incomplete information, so it doesn't prove anything.

Inuits: The article said they ate seafood almost exclusively that was 70 to 80 percent fat. That's what we would call "good fat", not saturated fat. There was no mention of what their average lifespan was. Again, incomplete information. So what did it prove?

Then the article mentions The Lancet (1974). "Reducing fat in the diet might lead to an increase in carbohydrates." So reducing fat leads to eating more starchy carbohydrates? And that's seen as a reason to eat a high-fat diet?

This is what happens when people don't like healthful non-starchy vegetables. They have to eat high protein and/or high-fat to keep from filling up on starchy carbohydrates.