[KeepingItReal]

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[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Any alternative practitioners out there? Or those who agree that the Big Pharma ads have become totally "nuts" if one truly listens to them???

My all time favorite (in a hilariously stupid way)....is one I've been hearing recently on the radio.

It is a doctor who is touting his own secret formula....as an alternative for Viagra/Levitra/Cialis.

The part that makes me want to slap my forehead, is when he says (paraphrasing)...... "If you don't have a positive reaction while you're in my office, it is free."

A positive reaction while in your office?

Really dude?



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[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

when i hear any disclaimer that sounds ominous i wonder - does anyone who takes that stuff have a gun permit/own a gun?!

Yes, so do we.....exactly. You are referring to the drugs that have the disclaimer at the end (t.v. commercials) re "can cause suicidal tendencies".

As I mentioned, they do those commericals every night on the evening news; the other night they had a segment on the increase in suicides in our nation.

HOWEVER........they never once mentioned the drugs or the pharmaceutical companies that are supporting them with big bucks for those commercials.

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=OnTrack;670923]My all time favorite (in a hilariously stupid way)....is one I've been hearing recently on the radio.

It is a doctor who is touting his own secret formula....as an alternative for Viagra/Levitra/Cialis.

The part that makes me want to slap my forehead, is when he says (paraphrasing)...... "If you don't have a positive reaction while you're in my office, it is free."

A positive reaction while in your office?

Really dude?

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That's a good one.....

[Parker]

[QUOTE=lightworker888;670677]That was also part of our conversation. In fact we were commenting on how few movies in TV were violence free. Quartet was the best movie I've seen all year and we used to be able to go to a different movie each week here a few trips ago. Now they are either vacuous or violent. Seems the actors of our generation are dying off and generally the younger ones haven't been making movies of substance. I don't quite know how entertainment translates into violence and horror. How does one get any "feel good" from them? JMHO.


Oh I so agree. Hardly ever go to the movies anymore. They're too violent/crude/stupid/dark/choppy camera work/too close-up, and too star focused instead of character and story focused. Uh oh, I think I just showed that I'm intolerant, old-fashioned, and not fun.

I'm fun, really I am.

[senior citizen]

[quote=Parker;671082]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

That was also part of our conversation. In fact we were commenting on how few movies in TV were violence free. Quartet was the best movie I've seen all year and we used to be able to go to a different movie each week here a few trips ago. Now they are either vacuous or violent. Seems the actors of our generation are dying off and generally the younger ones haven't been making movies of substance. I don't quite know how entertainment translates into violence and horror. How does one get any "feel good" from them? JMHO.


Oh I so agree. Hardly ever go to the movies anymore. They're too violent/crude/stupid/dark/choppy camera work/too close-up, and too star focused instead of character and story focused. Uh oh, I think I just showed that I'm intolerant, old-fashioned, and not fun.

I'm fun, really I am.

Did you ever notice that the really OLD movies have "credits" with the actors' names very large and easily visible???

Whereas the new movies have the credits so tiny that no one can read them. Don't these actors also deserve to have their names seen ?

Sometimes we watch a movie and although the actor looks familiar, one can't even tell who they are............I just go online and look up the movie and read the "cast and crew" online.....

p.s. I know exactly where Lightworker is coming from.
We say the same thing.........and we are big movie buffs.

We have been told by the younger crowd that we are very young at heart....so I don't blame our perceptions on our age.........it's just a fact of life nowadays, with regard to the movies. They have to try harder and harder to shock and excite people..........or so they think. Everything is special effects now.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

And yet when we really need something we expect it to be there ready and waiting for us. And if we never have a need for it we are ready to condemn it. I totally disagree on the pretty girl and dirty business comment. Unless one is very close to the business they really have no idea and apparently have a lot of mis-information.






Chemical drugs costs to put a new drug on the market maybe can be done for $500K but then consider that there are also the Biological Drugs where some are even developed for a certain persons genetic makeup can run many times that amount. We cannot expect companies to put out the money to develope and test a new drug and not make a profit at some point. Many trials are stopped before completion and other drugs are never approved so the money has to come from somewhere. It is sometimes annoying to hear the commercials but any symptom experienced during a trial must be mentioned even if the drug did not cause it and only one person had the symptom. During some trials a drug being trialed for one disease or condition is sometimes found to help another disease or condition even more than previous treatments. We should be thankful as expensive as they are that the lifesaving drugs are available. Those chemical drugs like Viagra and the T replacement drugs doubtfully will ever save a life but apparently a lot of people do think they need them. Lifestyle and eating right will only get people so far and as we age a lot of people continue to live their lives thanks to the drug industry.

Future drug related liabilities are a big cost issue as well. A recent Alabama judge ruling stated a consumer though taking a Generic drug could sue the original company that developed the drug even though they had no control over the manufacturing of the Generic. Courts gone wild..

Just more food for thought....
Clinical Trials and Investigational Drugs


We know people who were in clinical trials and probably given the placebo......or else the drug definitely did not work as the outcome was not good.

[senior citizen]

Drugs.com | Prescription Drug Information, Interactions & Side Effects
click hyperlink above.....then keep scrolling down until you get to all the hyperlinks on left side of page.

They show what the drug supposedly will do.........plus the possible side effects..........

Prescription Drug Information, Interactions and Side Effects.......interesting to read, although it may take time to go through the list.

At our age of 68, we are still drug free.......

p.s.
Years ago when my husband had to take Prednisone and Plaquenil for his Discoid Lupus, there were numerous side effects.........however, he has not taken them in 25 years or so.

[senior citizen]

Boniva Information from Drugs.com
click above hyperlink.......

O.K. this is the one I mentioned the other day.

It’s supposed to strengthen one’s bones if they have osteopenia or in danger of osteoporosis.

Yet, if you read about the possible destruction of the jaw bone, etc., etc., etc. it is very scary.......
Also, upper thighbone breaks have been reported while on various bone meds.

A cousin has been on this and others for years and years now due to an original bone density check....which showed "pre osteopenia".
When the news came out re the destruction of the jaw bone, teeth falling out, thighbone breakage, etc......she asked her doctor if she should go off of it.
The doctor told her to stay on it. Now she worries all the time.

Read it.

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It's not just Boniva..........please keep scrolling down on below hyperlink.........
September 2011: Two FDA Advisory Committees Will Discuss The Safety Of Long-Term Use Of Fosamax, Boniva, And Actonel - Drug Injury Watch

[KeepingItReal]

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[Villages PL]

I would include sugar as a drug-like substance. It's bad for one's health and people become addicted to it. It's in lots of foods like dressings, candy, cakes, pies, cookies, pastries, bread, soft drinks, fruit drinks and many other items.

Just because it comes from a plant, does that make it a food? Lots of pharmaceuticals come from plants.

If you think sugar isn't addictive, try eliminating it from your diet and see what happens. You won't know how much you need it until you don't have it. And moderation usually means a steady supply in one form or another.

Sugar is just plain bad for your health and I think it's a drug.

Now let's hear from all those who are addicted to it.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by billethkid

if one really listens to them why would they ask for that med in the first place...

btk

Yep, I know what ya mean. For example, you know those commercials for meds for people who "have to go a lot"? Those TV ads peaked my interest indeed-- since my Indian name is Princess Peezalot.

However, I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion that we were better off without the Big Pharma ads. Had I not heard the ads, I might have taken my doctor's advice to try one of the, um, anti-peezalot pills. However, hearing the long list of side effects recited in the commercials convinced me otherwise. Which is worse methought, frequent potty breaks or osteoporosis.

Thanks to those dumb Big Pharma ads, Princess Peezalot I was and Princess Peezalot I shall remain.

Thanks Big Pharma. And no thanks.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I would include sugar as a drug-like substance. It's bad for one's health and people become addicted to it. It's in lots of foods like dressings, candy, cakes, pies, cookies, pastries, bread, soft drinks, fruit drinks and many other items.

Just because it comes from a plant, does that make it a food? Lots of pharmaceuticals come from plants.

If you think sugar isn't addictive, try eliminating it from your diet and see what happens. You won't know how much you need it until you don't have it. And moderation usually means a steady supply in one form or another.

Sugar is just plain bad for your health and I think it's a drug.

Now let's hear from all those who are addicted to it.

Basically, sugar has been replaced by its evil twin HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP........which is in everything if you read labels. Also, toxic to one's health given the huge amount of it which is consumed.

Best to eliminate as many processed foods, canned foods, frozen prepared foods, etc. as one can and try to cook "fresh" (which I know you do)......

[lightworker888]

Just found LoHan a natural sweetener in Chinese cooking. It's from a fruit. I got it from Vitacost. Doesn't take much to add sweetness and can be used in baking and cooking and drinks. Comes in a powdered form. We are using it instead of stevia as the inulin in the stevia can be challenging according to some research I did on types of stevia and trying to avoid maltodextrin. The goal is to reeducate the "sweet tooth" so that less sweetness is wanted. I'm not into sweet as much as DH so it's easier for me. But he hasn't made any comments about the taste when I use the Lo Han.

LW888

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I would include sugar as a drug-like substance. It's bad for one's health and people become addicted to it. It's in lots of foods like dressings, candy, cakes, pies, cookies, pastries, bread, soft drinks, fruit drinks and many other items.

Just because it comes from a plant, does that make it a food? Lots of pharmaceuticals come from plants.

If you think sugar isn't addictive, try eliminating it from your diet and see what happens. You won't know how much you need it until you don't have it. And moderation usually means a steady supply in one form or another.

Sugar is just plain bad for your health and I think it's a drug.

Now let's hear from all those who are addicted to it.

Are you talking about real sugar or the stuff that thanks to pressure from big agriculture has replaced it in most processed foods--high fructose corn syrup? The same “corn” that gasoline additives are made from!

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Basically, sugar has been replaced by its evil twin HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP........which is in everything if you read labels. Also, toxic to one's health given the huge amount of it which is consumed.

Best to eliminate as many processed foods, canned foods, frozen prepared foods, etc. as one can and try to cook "fresh" (which I know you do)......

I couldn’t agree more. Just read the ingredients on the labels and be responsible for what you’re putting in your bodies. Processed foods are killing us--with our support and agreement!

Originally Posted by lightworker888

Just had a conversation yesterday with a neighbour about how people are handing over their lives to people in "authority" who they think have more understanding about their bodies than they do. It is your life and your body and the information is all available. Take some active charge of your life as you have to live the consequences of choices you make. No one forces you to do or take anything. It is all in your hands (except of course in an acute emergency) and it behooves all of us to check out all the choices we make daily. It is your choice in the food you choose, the stores and restaurants etc. you support, the lifestyle choices you make, the people you hang out with, the movies and tv you watch........the list is endless. If we keep blindly supporting choices that are governed by the profits of the companies, we allow ourselves to be easily led down a path of their choosing.

It seems that more people are waking up, but we as a people have to get out of our "victim" stance and become part of the "take action" group in order to get change to happen. It has been said that if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll continue to get what you've always gotten. Change only happens at a different level of consciousness so that is why it is so important to keep getting more info. That's the only way I know of to raise consciousness. And I know that "driving your own bus" isn't always "easy", but it can be as exciting as you want to make it. And at least the consequences are of your own making which is very empowering and satisfying.

Getting off my soapbox now.


LW888

Stay on your soap box, LW888. Be a power of example of someone who takes responsibility for yourself and stops blaming others for your bad choices!