[New Englander]

Originally Posted by maistocars

a New Englander, boosters, say what? No surprise there.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Sorry do not buy it.

First of all how many of these "extra" deaths died from getting covid?

Second if this is true insurance companies would be raising rates substantially and this info would be all over the place.

Am, (was), in the insurance business. And yes, my old contacts are telling me that life insurance rates are going to be rising in the near future due to the large increase in payouts.
So you’ll have that proof very soon if you have life insurance.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Sorry do not buy it.

First of all how many of these "extra" deaths died from getting covid?

Second if this is true insurance companies would be raising rates substantially and this info would be all over the place.

Google “leading cause of death in Alberta, Canada”. A place where vaccination enforcement was forced heavily. I’m making no statements as to the cause for the leading cause of death, just pointing it out.

[BayLady57]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why's that? Did you die from the first three? Are you permanently disabled as a result of the first three?

I mean - considering the alternative - you had better odds of dying or being permanently disabled by NOT getting the shots, than you did of getting them.

I have to disagree with your last statement. I am a now retired R.N. and at the onset of the pandemic and 3 months into it I was detailed by the healthcare facility I worked at to be the triage nurse in their covid clinic. Not only was there no covid immunization available at that time, appropriate PPE was scarce. As hard as it may be to believe I was issued one flimsy surgical mask to wear for a week before I was issued a new one. Despite my high exposure to covid + patients and minimal PPE during that time I never contracted the virus. Throughout my long nursing career I received all necessary immunizations recommended by my employee health department, but after having an immediate pretty bad reaction following receiving the H1N1 immunization several years back at work that landed me in the ER I stopped with the agreement of my PCP getting annual flu shots. I had no issue getting the covid immunization when it became available to me despite having some risk having had a reaction to the H1N1, but before I went forward and took it like I do with any medication I am prescribed or consider taking OTC I did a good deal of research from many sources on contraindications especially since I have multiple drug allergies. In discovering through my own research the potential for the development for blood clots was a contraindication with the covid immunizations this was a major concern for me. In 2017 I developed what my neuro ophthalmologist believes was a micro vascular blood clot that occluded the blood flow to my optic nerve which left me permanently 95+% blind in my left eye. In having the discussion with my neuro ophthalmologist along with my PCP and several former physician colleagues that I highly respect, they all agreed anything that could potentiate the development of another blood clot that could render me totally blind I should refrain from. Opting out was not an easy decision for me to make but it was ultimately my own because none of the physicians I consulted with has a crystal ball that would tell me a definitive outcome of opting in or out would be for me. And I chose to opt out because life is difficult enough with the vision loss I have, and if I can reduce the risks that could render me totally blind I am going to do that. And in making the decision to opt out I also decided to retire to reduce my risk for contracting covid by getting me out of the high exposure environment I worked in and these days I live my life very cautiously. The decision you made to get the covid immunization/s hopefully will continue to deliver you the protection that you believe it has and will continue to have. But there are those of us where making the decision to opt in or out was much harder to make as we have health issues you don't have that getting the immunization poses an equally high risk for disability and death as contracting the virus does. So opting out for us is as equally valid as opting in was for you. I have never contracted covid but neither has my husband who has received two immunizations which I encouraged him to get because he has COPD. And why this is so remains a mystery to us since both were antibody tested several times and both testing results came back negative meaning neither had an asymptomatic case of covid that resulted in developing some natural immunity. I wish you continued positive outcomes with the decisions you make with regards to your own health, but p!ease understand the decisions you make for you may not produce the same positive outcomes for someone else that has health issues you don't have that need to be factored into their decision making process.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by me4vt

Me, I haven’t had the first Jab yet! GOD has set my time and place so no matter what I do, GODs got this

Just wondering........do ALL Gods got this or just yours?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by natalierp

No shots no boosters natural immunity is always best.

Natural immunity to Covid occurs after you have had the virus. Some people didn't survive the virus so had no "natural immunity" to speak of. They are dead.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MSGirl

What are the benefits

Is avoiding death a benefit? I think so.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MidWestIA

I had all moderna ( got omnicron 2 weeks after my 2nd booster) Pfizer booster protects against omnicron moderna did not change to do that

Not according this this article........

New Omicron boosters available from Pfizer and Moderna with Sandra Fryhofer, MD | AMA Update Video | AMA

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Dotneko

How do you know it was omicron? They didn't test variant for me.

I did a home test when I got off a cruise ship and had very minor symptoms. I assumed it was Omicron when I tested positive. That is the variant that is primarily circulating through the population. When 98% of cases are Omicron, it's a pretty good bet that I had Omicron.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Not going to the hospital.
Not being put on a ventilator.
Not being on a death bed ALONE seeing family on iphone.
Dying.

Which are all very meaningful for the 80+++ crowd.

To each their own beliefs/comforts.......no disparaging of others opinions needed/required!!!

All are very meaningful for the 70+++ crowd too.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by orangeblossombaby

covid infection may be associated with...your own quote (from who knows what source). According to your quote, that's a symptom of infection, not the vaccine. How do i know? Because i'm quoting you.

lmao.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by chrissy2231

Vaccines don't prevent Covid. The majority of deaths when Covid was rampant were due to pre-existing conditions whether they had or had not gotten vaccinated. Sure, there were deaths w/o pre-existing conditions. For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER. What does that say? Ponder it for yourself.

Here we go. Round and round and round and round again............

Many of those folks with pre-existing conditions may still be alive today IF they did not contract Covid-19. In fact, chances are very good they would still be alive today. Covid was their death sentence. That was pre-vaccine that I'm referring to.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Might be a good idea to do some research and not from governmental sources.

Much much better to get your information from those right or left wing conspiracy sites. LOL.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

And we all know that doctors are NEVER wrong.....
Some of my favorite people are doctors, and I have a lot of respect for them. I think that I would have asked the doctor to qualify his reasoning a bit more than just a "yes" or "no" answer. He may have had specific reasons to get vaccinated, unrelated to your situation. I am not saying that I disagree with you. Seems like there were a lot of medical professionals that refused the vaccination. Might be interesting to know WHY they refused. I only got my original shots hoping that I would be protecting my spouse. Since I now know that the shots do not prevent infection (which they suggested in the beginning) and since we have both survived infection twice with minor symptoms, we have decided not to subscribe to the booster shots. That's just us. I am in no way suggesting anyone else make that decision.

The point, is that he's a) a doctor who is more likely to actually KNOW whether it's safe enough to take than someone who isn't a doctor, b) he was willing to be vaccinated, c) he felt safe enough to be a doctor who spends hours every day getting "up close and personal" with dozens of people who might or might not already be infected and contagious, d) he felt secure enough to know that his being vaccinated meant he reduced the risk of getting one of his own patients infected, and e) he was still alive and well and healthy enough to be my doctor at my appointment.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Spsmith444

I’m confused, you have had 2 Moderna + 2 boosters? 4 jabs? And now considering a 5th in 2 years - yikes. I’ve had a total of 3 and not planning on anymore. Looking back they said if we all get 2 jabs all would be good.

Now you got me thinking. I've had the original two shot series of the Moderna vaccine. Then I've had two booster shots for a total of 4 shots. I'm waiting until December to have my third booster because I've had Covid recently. That will be a total of five shots. I'm good with that.