[Bay Kid]

Who to believe? We have been lied to so often.

[Byte1]

So, if one does not get the booster, THEY are "selfish?" How about YOU (not aimed at anyone) get the booster and quit worrying about what others are doing? If you are still scared of catching the virus, then you don't have much confidence in the booster, so why should anyone else get it? If you are worried about catching the virus, then where a mask whenever you go out, as if that is going to help you. I know a retired nurse that wears a mask EVERYWHERE when she leaves her home and she just recently recovered from covid infection. Wonder how that happened. She also had all her shots and boosters. Life isn't a guarantee. But, I will guarantee one thing, you don't get out of it alive. How are you going to feel if you intimidate someone into getting their booster shots and then find out that the last booster they had caused heart damage? I am not saying it does, and I am not suggesting that anyone fear getting their booster shots. I am not attempting to instill fear in anyone regarding vaccinations. There is a lot of fear caused by this man-made virus and folks need to be allowed to make their own decisions. I doubt anyone has a priority of getting vaccinated for the good of the whole. Other than those of us that are doing it for someone in our family; to protect them. If I thought that the serum was dangerous, why would I get it to protect a neighbor that I might not even know? It's not human nature to take that kind of chance. That's not being selfish. It's having common sense. Don't let your fear of this virus cause you to intimidate others to do something against their will.
I will continue to discuss the vaccinations with my family, but I will not encourage or discourage them from getting that particular vaccination. Same thing with the Flu vaccination. There are many of us that have never had the flu and feel that the yearly flu shot is not necessary for them, individually.
In my opinion, anyone that tries to sell us on their getting the covid vaccination purely for their neighbors, is being disingenuous. Likely as not, they are attempting to convince others to get the vaccination because they are scared. I did not get the vaccination for anyone other than my spouse. Personally, I doubt I would have gotten the vaccination if not for my concern for her health.
Get the boosters or don't get them, it doesn't matter to me. I have family members that wait in line for the next booster that might come out at any minute. I also have family that haven't gotten the first shot. It's their choice and I do not attempt to push them either way. If you allow fear to rule your life then you will live in fear. I've said this before, I am not anti-vaxx .I have vaccinations, other than the flu shot.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I was pro-COVID vaccination until my sibling was told at a physical appointment, three weeks after the COVID vaccination booster vaccination, that a heart murmur was detected. Numerous heart tests were arranged and performed after confirmation of this new murmur. Long story short, murmur disappeared after 5 weeks. Who knows how their heart was affected during that time. After my Moderna booster, I was sick for a week. Both of us are reluctant to receive the current bivalent booster.

I think you can rest assured, neither of those reactions were reported to the CDC.

I am VERY sorry about your experience and it is good that it is shared with the Forum. My wife and I have gotten all 5 of our shots with only a slightly stiff arm for a couple of days. I have heard of other reactions such as being sick for a week. That would probably NOT be something that the CDC would be interested in collecting data on. Now, your sibling is a different story.......I would HOPE that a heart murmur that happens soon after a Covid shot would be significant enough for the CDC to compile data on.......with a plan to investigate IF there are many other such incidents. I do NOT know whether or not it is the Doctor's responsibility to send in a report about a heart murmur soon after a Covid shot. I would HOPE that it would get reported.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Who to believe? We have been lied to so often.

Imagine the lies that we would be told if we lived in Russia or China. And we can see how badly China has handled its Covid Pandemic and how LITTLE Russia cares about human lives.

[Dusty_Star]

I will not be getting the updated shot, it actually produces fewer useful antibodies against Omicron than a fourth jab with the original formulation.

This is from a paper released on October 24th from Dr. David Ho, a top virologist at Columbia University.

Worse, newer Omicron variants evade both types of boosters with ease, the report found.

This probably explains why the CDC director Rochelle Walensky got Covid exactly a month after getting the new bivalent shot.

I'm very unhappy with the testing and approval process of these failing shots.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...349v1.full.pdf

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by Gunny2403

I started with the single J&J shot. Then, 2 Moderna boosters. Two weeks after the second booster I developed blood clots in my leg (DVT) and clots in my lungs (PE). Docs thinks the second booster did me in. NO MORE SHOTS for ME!

I'm very sorry to hear that, I hope for your complete recovery.

[Byte1]

I personally know a person here in the Villages that had their second covid shot and has had pain in her arm for the pas six plus months. That has not made my decision for me, but I have to take that as a caution sign. I'm interested in the Florida study (that has nothing to do with me) where they recorded heart problems within 28 days of folks 18-36yo after they received their second shot. It received an estimate of 85% greater chance for that group to have heart problems. Not sure of the details, but it might be something to consider. Do what's best for you and don't worry about what other folks do. Protect yourself as you feel what is right for you. Sorry, not a medical professional, so I shouldn't be giving advice.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

All eight mice survived. Right?

I read that all eight mice contracted the Ba.5 illness after receiving the Ba.5 bivalent booster & all are currently dead.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I am VERY sorry about your experience and it is good that it is shared with the Forum. My wife and I have gotten all 5 of our shots with only a slightly stiff arm for a couple of days. I have heard of other reactions such as being sick for a week. That would probably NOT be something that the CDC would be interested in collecting data on. Now, your sibling is a different story.......I would HOPE that a heart murmur that happens soon after a Covid shot would be significant enough for the CDC to compile data on.......with a plan to investigate IF there are many other such incidents. I do NOT know whether or not it is the Doctor's responsibility to send in a report about a heart murmur soon after a Covid shot. I would HOPE that it would get reported.

The risk of heart disease from COVID/long VOVID is ten fold higher in the unvaccinated - pick your poison.

[Whitley]

It may be that it is very difficult to get information like this out to the public. There is a DR John Campbell on YouTube who has been speaking about the virus for two years now. He has become quite a verbal gymnist, attempting to get information out withot falling prey to the censorship.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Altavia

The risk of heart disease from COVID/long VOVID is ten fold higher in the unvaccinated - pick your poison.

Really! Ten Fold? What study was that in? I also have questions about Long Covid. Is this something that can be tested for, like covid, or is it strictly self diagnosed?

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Imagine the lies that we would be told if we lived in Russia or China. And we can see how badly China has handled its Covid Pandemic and how LITTLE Russia cares about human lives.

I do not understand your reply to the original post below

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid View Post
Who to believe? We have been lied to so often.

You are not suggesting that it is acceptable to be lied to by our country because Russia and China lie more to their population. I'm sure we do not want to base our rights to freedom and transparency on the behavior of Russia and China.

[Whitley]

Is someone working on a conventional vaccine for covid?

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

I heard up north at some college they are trying to discover new covid variants. Great, another potential disaster.

Once they were found out and made the news, they now claim that since their new strain only killed 80% of the mice it was tested on and not 100% like an earlier variant, it was not gain of function. Thank goodness we have fact checkers to clear that up.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Velvet

The whole document.

Social Media Claims Misrepresent Boston U. Study of What Causes Severity of COVID-19 Strains - FactCheck.org

From what I read; the original virus killed 10 out of ten mice, the new strain (omicron) killed 8 out of ten mice. This is where the 80% fatality rate comes from.

Thank you for the link. Have you been able to determine what their goal was? I heard one of the researchers say it is not gain of function because it had an 80% fataility rate, whereas the original killed 100% of the mice. What was the intended purpose. The only thing I can see worth taking risks like this would be in the search for new, better, safer vaccines. So many questions.