[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Michael 61

Yep - you are spot on - on the block I live on, I am the only owner-resident - very difficult to make friends with neighbors, with the majority of residents shoe-term renters or bnb folks on vacation. Luckily today I met a owner-resident on the street over, and she has taken the “Bull by the horns” and has started a club for the folks in our villas the own their homes (monthly socials).

I’ve been here four months now - absolutely love it - I am in so many clubs/activities right now and meeting great people - just not many of my neighbors in Richmond, which is kind of discouraging, but I’m making it work! Glad to be here, and I wake up very happy each morning, looking forward to the adventures of the day.

That's great to hear. Most places are what you make them to be, but yes, the Villages used to be a much friendlier place so matter what village you lived in. At one time most part time people had villas, not all to be sure, but with the advent of property buying as an income steam, then AB&B and similar, it's just a completely different place, but you don't have to become negative (many do, many leave disillusioned and a steady stream of new residents keep coming), those who can see "the good", make friends and have a rich life. Even the opportunities to volunteer here in so many ways to enrich your life and the lives of so many with so many needs, is truly amazing, and always leads to more genuine friends.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Velvet

If TV can’t get out of renting Airbnb legally, then I think it is time we spend more on Community Watch and enforcement. A few people benefit from renting, a lot of us suffer because of it. Otherwise, we are going down the drain overwhelmed with people who neither know or care about the effort put in by the developer and the residents to make this a beautiful pleasant place. I mean just for example; trash, and drinking, playing loud music, and diving and trying to swim in the neighborhood pools and over crowded homes where the renters invite their own guests etc. if it continues like this I see TV going to hell in a hand basket.

If you really want to see what: lack of ability to ENFORCE rules/covenants (not due to will, but lack of legal authority of "security", "ambassadors" "village watch personnel", or whatever various developments decide to call such people, look at Hot Springs Villages in Arkansas (older than The Villages, Fl ) and what it has become. An absolutely beautiful area, lakes, golf courses, even a national park, man made beaches, homes with private docks, on and on. But as short term renting took hold, not "snowbirds" but just purchasing a number of properties for income, many listed on AB&B eventually, others arranged by owners themselves, everything began a down hill slide which accelerated with each new year. "Gangsomes" (strongly "prohibited by the HOA) quickly became the norm on every holiday, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, etc. Resident's drives were blocked with the over limit of vehicles, cookouts and pool parties were often loud, and the "community security" were not vested with any legal power at all. County police were very reluctant to get "involved" with the legal resident tax payers, and although the "gates" are highly visible, the streets are actually public, not private, so people just drive right past the "gate guards". It is amazing how fast beautiful retirement areas, like our here, can deteriorate once the "rental crowd" moves in (again...NOT speaking of residents who just divide their time between there homes, at Hot Springs Villages this has become a business, and the lives of many residents, especially those in town houses and whose homes are on smaller lots, have become a retirement nightmare, not a retirement dream. IF we, residents here, were wise, we'd "nip the problem in the bud".... an old phrase my parents and grandparents used to use P.S., not "hearsay", have two relatives who built there, difference in what it WAS before rentals and AB&B for investments, and what it is now, is heartbreaking. Land, lakes, forests and golf courses still beautiful, but the QUALITY of life has been downhill for the retirees there. The short term, week, night, and weekend people, don't give a "damn" about the golf courses, beaches, walking trails, or sports amenities.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Somehow, I don't think The Villages database on the number of occupants and their ages is very accurate. And, I don't think The Federal Government (HUD) audits the data or even cares.

LOL, of course they don't care. I'm not prone to sarcasm, so only stating a fact. IF you think about it, it's really to no one's advantage to put any resources (personnel, money) into something like that, except for a "few old people" who are really not a threat to anyone's power or business interests, no one really suffers. IF this became an element that had economic impact, on the county, on the development corp. of the Villages, then it would probably become a high priority item. But most people only see the surface of ANY location they visit, it's not possible to view the "under belly" without living here for a substantial period of time. Who said, LOL, "you sell the sizzle and the aroma, the quality and size of the steak that arrives is not the focus"...LOL !

[Normal]

Just petition the local government (I think yours is Sumter Co or Wildwood) to write an ordinance against short term rentals. It has worked well in NY and NJ. The vast majority of voters are against them! After all, how many want to lose property value?

Here is an article for you to read.

How Airbnb’s Fight to Overturn a New Jersey Law Imploded | WIRED

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Normal

Just petition the local government (I think yours is Sumter Co or Wildwood) to write an ordinance against short term rentals. It has worked well in NY and NJ. The vast majority of voters are against them! After all, how many want to lose property value?

Here is an article for you to read.

How Airbnb’s Fight to Overturn a New Jersey Law Imploded | WIRED

Things only happen in Sumter County that a certain entity wants to happen. That would be the same entity that does not enforce the deed restrictions violated by AIRBnB’s. The only way to get these things shut down would be for new home buyers to collectively back away until something concrete is done about the problem.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

If you really want to see what: lack of ability to ENFORCE rules/covenants (not due to will, but lack of legal authority of "security", "ambassadors" "village watch personnel", or whatever various developments decide to call such people, look at Hot Springs Villages in Arkansas (older than The Villages, Fl ) and what it has become. An absolutely beautiful area, lakes, golf courses, even a national park, man made beaches, homes with private docks, on and on. But as short term renting took hold, not "snowbirds" but just purchasing a number of properties for income, many listed on AB&B eventually, others arranged by owners themselves, everything began a down hill slide which accelerated with each new year. "Gangsomes" (strongly "prohibited by the HOA) quickly became the norm on every holiday, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, etc. Resident's drives were blocked with the over limit of vehicles, cookouts and pool parties were often loud, and the "community security" were not vested with any legal power at all. County police were very reluctant to get "involved" with the legal resident tax payers, and although the "gates" are highly visible, the streets are actually public, not private, so people just drive right past the "gate guards". It is amazing how fast beautiful retirement areas, like our here, can deteriorate once the "rental crowd" moves in (again...NOT speaking of residents who just divide their time between there homes, at Hot Springs Villages this has become a business, and the lives of many residents, especially those in town houses and whose homes are on smaller lots, have become a retirement nightmare, not a retirement dream. IF we, residents here, were wise, we'd "nip the problem in the bud".... an old phrase my parents and grandparents used to use P.S., not "hearsay", have two relatives who built there, difference in what it WAS before rentals and AB&B for investments, and what it is now, is heartbreaking. Land, lakes, forests and golf courses still beautiful, but the QUALITY of life has been downhill for the retirees there. The short term, week, night, and weekend people, don't give a "damn" about the golf courses, beaches, walking trails, or sports amenities.

Unless something is done I can see TV going in the same direction. We have money, there is political pull, look at all the politicians who come to TV. What are our options?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Things only happen in Sumter County that a certain entity wants to happen. That would be the same entity that does not enforce the deed restrictions violated by AIRBnB’s.

Which District/Unit has a deed restriction that you believe prohibits an AB&B? I have looked at several of the units in District 10 and they do not have such a restriction. Can you point me to one that does?

I know there is at least one in an area south of 44 but I believe that is the exception and not the rule.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Which District/Unit has a deed restriction that you believe prohibits an AB&B? I have looked at several of the units in District 10 and they do not have such a restriction. Can you point me to one that does?

I know there is at least one in an area south of 44 but I believe that is the exception and not the rule.

This is the first one I looked at in District 10. I saw the same in every one I checked.

2.24 The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years
of age or older. All Homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55)
years of age.

2.10 Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial,
professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may
be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Which District/Unit has a deed restriction that you believe prohibits an AB&B? I have looked at several of the units in District 10 and they do not have such a restriction. Can you point me to one that does?

I know there is at least one in an area south of 44 but I believe that is the exception and not the rule.

See posts #5 and 13. That’s in CDD1, a district considered to have more relaxed deed restrictions.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

This is the first one I looked at in District 10. I saw the same in every one I checked.

2.24 The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years
of age or older. All Homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55)
years of age.

2.10 Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial,
professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may
be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

Chapter 680 Section 1031 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate


Florida law
(c) “Commercial unit” means such a unit of goods as by commercial usage is a single whole for purposes of lease and division of which materially impairs its character or value on the market or in use. A commercial unit may be a single article, as a machine, or a set of articles, as a suite of furniture or a line of machinery, or a quantity, as a gross or carload, or any other unit treated in use or in the relevant market as a single whole.
(d) “Conforming” goods or performance under a lease contract means goods or performance that are in accordance with the obligations under the lease contract.

It covers leases as a commercial sale.

There are 350 V R B O s and Air Bnbs in The Villages…the landlords are vastly outnumbered 100 to 1. The laws should be enforced.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

This is the first one I looked at in District 10. I saw the same in every one I checked.

2.24 The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years
of age or older. All Homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55)
years of age.

2.10 Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial,
professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may
be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

For 2.10, a renter is not inventory or equipment and renting is not likely to be considered a customer/client visit to the business in the sense that it is used in this section. I posted something similar in #15.

2.24 is much longer than those two sentences. Other sentences in that section mention "occupied," "permanent resident," and "80% of the Homesites." If you can make the argument that this section applies to visitors or that AB&Bs are only rented by those under 55 or that there are more than 14,000 AB&Bs (20% of 70,000 homes) rented by someone under 55 at any one time then perhaps that would trigger a violation of this section.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Normal

Chapter 680 Section 1031 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate


Florida law
(c) “Commercial unit” means such a unit of goods as by commercial usage is a single whole for purposes of lease and division of which materially impairs its character or value on the market or in use. A commercial unit may be a single article, as a machine, or a set of articles, as a suite of furniture or a line of machinery, or a quantity, as a gross or carload, or any other unit treated in use or in the relevant market as a single whole.
(d) “Conforming” goods or performance under a lease contract means goods or performance that are in accordance with the obligations under the lease contract.

It covers leases as a commercial sale.

There are 350 V R B O s and Air Bnbs in The Villages…the landlords are vastly outnumbered 100 to 1. The laws should be enforced.

My search found 834 airbnbs and 1124 v r b o s and it is a growing trend

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

For 2.10, a renter is not inventory or equipment and renting is not likely to be considered a customer/client visit to the business in the sense that it is used in this section. I posted something similar in #15.

2.24 is much longer than those two sentences. Other sentences in that section mention "occupied," "permanent resident," and "80% of the Homesites." If you can make the argument that this section applies to visitors or that AB&Bs are only rented by those under 55 or that there are more than 14,000 AB&Bs (20% of 70,000 homes) rented by someone under 55 at any one time then perhaps that would trigger a violation of this section.

Yes there is more and this is the rest

The Developer or its designee in its sole discretion
shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (I 9) and fifty-
five (55) to permanently reside in a Home even though there is not a permanent resident in the Home who is fifty-
five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting
of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one
resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have
at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older.

Where is the hardship in short term rentals?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

See posts #5 and 13. That’s in CDD1, a district considered to have more relaxed deed restrictions.

Neither #5 nor #13 provided any deed restriction language. Post #10 did but I can't find that language in S1-2 or S1-17 and I'm not at all interested in reviewing all the restriction documents just to help you make your point.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Yes there is more and this is the rest

The Developer or its designee in its sole discretion
shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (I 9) and fifty-
five (55) to permanently reside in a Home even though there is not a permanent resident in the Home who is fifty-
five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting
of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one
resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have
at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older.

Where is the hardship in short term rentals?

The hardship provision pertains to permanent residence. Short term rental doesn't sound like permanent residence.