[Barboza]

We who already live in Tamarind Grove do this already! I would love direct access by cart to Pinellas shopping but that would allow outsiders to access our multi modal paths & who do you suppose would pay for the repairs following excess usage?
Incidentally the plans for Trailwinds were approved 3 yrs ago but no sod has been turned as yet & I understand there is no interest in it currently.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Barboza

We who already live in Tamarind Grove do this already! I would love direct access by cart to Pinellas shopping but that would allow outsiders to access our multi modal paths & who do you suppose would pay for the repairs following excess usage?
Incidentally the plans for Trailwinds were approved 3 yrs ago but no sod has been turned as yet & I understand there is no interest in it currently.

I am talking about the 800 extra golf carts that would be coming through Tamarind Grove, and the possible taking down of trees to bring that cart path through the TG pool park.

If they want to add 800 additional houses, the traffic should have its own routing and not come through our tiny neighborhood.

And the people in those houses would have to go around their elbows to get to their noses, just to get to a grocery store and pharmacy. Can't think that would be a big draw for them. A cart tunnel under 466A into Pinellas... How would that allow non Villagers onto TV cart paths? I don't think Wildwood has any carts.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I am talking about the 800 extra golf carts that would be coming through Tamarind Grove, and the possible taking down of trees to bring that cart path through the TG pool park.

If they want to add 800 additional houses, the traffic should have its own routing and not come through our tiny neighborhood.

And the people in those houses would have to go around their elbows to get to their noses, just to get to a grocery store and pharmacy. Can't think that would be a big draw for them. A cart tunnel under 466A into Pinellas... How would that allow non Villagers onto TV cart paths? I don't think Wildwood has any carts.

Is this any different situation than all 100 thousand residents going through the neighborhood on the historic side to access Lowes and Walmart through the Berlin Wall plus trying to keep outsiders out?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Is this any different situation than all 100 thousand residents going through the neighborhood on the historic side to access Lowes and Walmart through the Berlin Wall plus trying to keep outsiders out?

I've never gone to Lowes or Walmart (441) in a golf cart. And I suspect the vast majority of the 100k don't use carts to get there. I know 1 person who uses his cart.

[Barboza]

There is already a precedent with up to 1800 carts a day going through Azteca Loop cutting into Savannah Centre to access the shopping at Southern Trace then South towards Brownwood & all places in between.
Also permits access out towards Nancy Lopez & Mulberry.
Lots of people travelling quite long distances to golf courses, Rec centres & shopping.
Maybe a couple of trees would have to be removed to accomodate cart path but the Villages always do their best to retain trees whenever possible.
I agree that TGR St. Charles junction would require some traffic control, but that is not beyond management.
I believe that the Villages plan would have been the best we could have had.
Lets not be NIMBY's
Wildwood may already have a golf cart ordinance.

[applesoffh]

I honestly believe that TV building on that property will eventually come to pass. Everyone's trying to save face; the Developer won't bend and neither will the Wildwood governing body, but business owners in Wildwood should be putting pressure on the powers to be. Only time will tell. I certainly don't believe for a minute that we are near build-out. This is just my opinion.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by naneiben

Your question made me curious so I googled: Wildwood FL city limits map.

turns out that your area and most of TV south of 466a is NOT included, while the parcel in question and Pinellas Plaza is.

Interesting. Sorry...cant post the link but youll find it if you google it.

Wildwood, FL :: Boundary Map and Geodata for the City of Wildwood in Florida, U.S.A. :: MapTechnica

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Barboza

There is already a precedent with up to 1800 carts a day going through Azteca Loop cutting into Savannah Centre to access the shopping at Southern Trace then South towards Brownwood & all places in between.
Also permits access out towards Nancy Lopez & Mulberry.
Lots of people travelling quite long distances to golf courses, Rec centres & shopping.
Maybe a couple of trees would have to be removed to accomodate cart path but the Villages always do their best to retain trees whenever possible.
I agree that TGR St. Charles junction would require some traffic control, but that is not beyond management.
I believe that the Villages plan would have been the best we could have had.
Lets not be NIMBY's
Wildwood may already have a golf cart ordinance.

There were several beautiful live oaks in the Fruitland Park development. One day they were all gone. Poof. Maybe in the past they tried to save them.

People are traveling long, indirect distances because not enough tunnels are being provided, so they have no choice. If I were really committed to traveling everywhere in a golf cart, I would not buy in those areas. In this particular case, it's really inexcusable, IMO. The developers always say the goods and services will come to the new areas. In this case it's already there, across the street. Yet they would have to go miles out of their way to access it. What are they thinking? It has to be a dollar thing.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by Barboza

Maybe a couple of trees would have to be removed to accomodate cart path but the Villages always do their best to retain trees whenever possible.

I appreciate everything TV is and all that the developer has done but I don't feel they "always do their best to retain trees." We love going up Buena Vista to Lake Sumter Landing just to drive through an area with all those lovely old trees.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by CFrance

There were several beautiful live oaks in the Fruitland Park development. One day they were all gone. Poof. Maybe in the past they tried to save them.

People are traveling long, indirect distances because not enough tunnels are being provided, so they have no choice. If I were really committed to traveling everywhere in a golf cart, I would not buy in those areas. In this particular case, it's really inexcusable, IMO. The developers always say the goods and services will come to the new areas. In this case it's already there, across the street. Yet they would have to go miles out of their way to access it. What are they thinking? It has to be a dollar thing.

IMO: people move here and they have no idea how to get from point A to point B. They see their new house and they see the shopping and don't realize what a circuitous route they must take to get there. The salespeople probably don't explain it to them, unless asked. Just my opinion.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by EnglishJW

I appreciate everything TV is and all that the developer has done but I don't feel they "always do their best to retain trees." We love going up Buena Vista to Lake Sumter Landing just to drive through an area with all those lovely old trees.

I often wonder if people that feel this way would love to look at that lovely old trees if they were dumping their crap all over their roof and yard and preventing grass from growing on their lawns.

As far as I'm concerned, those trees should be restricted to parks and other undeveloped areas and be kept out of residential areas. They ruin homes and home sites. I looked at several nice homes before I bought and as soon as I saw on of those trees I walked away.

They are also no bargain for other residents on the same street or block.

I agree, it's very nice to take a walk through some of the parks and look at these huge trees, but I would not want one within 100 yards of my house.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by dbussone

I've never gone to Lowes or Walmart (441) in a golf cart. And I suspect the vast majority of the 100k don't use carts to get there. I know 1 person who uses his cart.

And I have never gone to Pinellas Plaza by golf cart. And I suspect the vast majority of the 100K have not also. The point was why would it be OK for one neighborhood VS another? There are many situations in The Villages where major golf cart traffic cuts through neighborhoods.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by rustyp

And I have never gone to Pinellas Plaza by golf cart. And I suspect the vast majority of the 100K have not also. The point was why would it be OK for one neighborhood VS another? There are many situations in The Villages where major golf cart traffic cuts through neighborhoods.

I agree. But it usually involves major roads rather than smaller neighborhood streets.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by dbussone

I agree. But it usually involves major roads rather than smaller neighborhood streets.

Not true at all. I can name a multitude of places right off the top of my head. Here is one - the villa neighborhood right behind the Savanah center where there is a cut from that neighborhood into the Savanah parking lot to get to the tunnel. There are many places like that in The Villages.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Not true at all. I can name a multitude of places right off the top of my head. Here is one - the villa neighborhood right behind the Savanah center where there is a cut from that neighborhood into the Savanah parking lot to get to the tunnel. There are many places like that in The Villages.

Name one that takes 800 golf carts miles out of their way through a tiny neighborhood to double back to get to a shopping plaza they could have built a tunnel to. I'm glad you're so knowledgeable about numerous small neighborhoods in TV, but I invite you to come over to the Tamarind Grove Pool/postal center and check out the havoc this would cause.

And I'm done.