[dhdallas]

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

- David Dallas EMT-Paramedic, RN, ASN, Retired

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Why even bother? Their only purpose is as a personal record that you need as a reminder to get your second shot and which one it was. They have no "legal" use to identify you as vaccinated as they can easily be forged or faked or copied. A hand scribbled name and date on a card has no official use other than as a reminder or a souvenir. If you need "additional vaccines" the state or county has official records and will contact you as they do/did for the 2nd shot. That card won't be what gets you a booster shot if needed.

The only purpose now, that we KNOW of, is for a personal record. Don’t know what’s coming or what they’ll change.

[Jgabriele]

I was told just the opposite.

[Al2014]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

- David Dallas EMT-Paramedic, RN, ASN, Retired

I repect your right to decide not to get the vaccine. I maintain that I have the right to decide if I will get the vaccine. Our 2nd shot is today.

[GeriS]

Originally Posted by Bjeanj

That’s my question, too. We were thinking about laminating ours, but there are spaces for additional vaccinations, if needed.

More vaccinations??? Tracking. You'd better do your homework.

[dtennent]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

- David Dallas EMT-Paramedic, RN, ASN, Retired

First - with regard to the small pox vaccinations - they were discontinued in the US when there was no small pox in most of the world. Today, there are no known cases of small pox anywhere in the world. Hence, there is no need to vaccinate people against small pox.

Second - While most people will suffer only mild conditions with Covid-19, the fact is ICU units were being swamped by the folks who suffered from serious conditions. While I am very healthy, I am not willing to bet that I won't need an ICU bed.

Third - We are just learning about the longer term effects from this virus with folks who seemed to have only mild symptoms.

I have no disagreement with your stating that these vaccines were developed at "warp speed". However, given the situation, I think the collective government agencies from around the world did the appropriate thing. The usual development of vaccines ( or any drug) takes 10+ years. This is to minimize risk to larger test groups. The initial smaller group tests with years of review were skipped. Instead larger groups were tested much sooner meaning that the individuals in those trials were at greater risk than what would normally happen. The results from those trials showed that some vaccines were not effective (and the trial stopped - Merck vaccine) or that the vaccines were effective and were scaled up.

While I respect your decision not to get vaccinated, please don't use scare tactics to persuade others to follow your decision.

[Shutterbug]

Originally Posted by MickeyStevens

And that’s exactly why they suggested you don’t laminate the card i.e. the possibility of additional vaccines. I think someone was pulling your leg telling you the cards will turn black.

I guess it is like your military shot record...

[Spike380]

Originally Posted by ureout

wife and I went for our 2nd shot today and was told not to laminate the original card.. lamination turns the card black.. they advised us to take a picture of card and keep it on our phones also you can print out a copy of the picture/card and laminate that

We were also told to not laminate-because there might be an additional shot! A LOT of people laminated the first card and they started telling everyone in line!

[Mhollowaygleasom]

We were told not to laminate as it is an official document and it’s not to be altered. They likened it to SS cards.

[oxfordreb52@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Why even bother? Their only purpose is as a personal record that you need as a reminder to get your second shot and which one it was. They have no "legal" use to identify you as vaccinated as they can easily be forged or faked or copied. A hand scribbled name and date on a card has no official use other than as a reminder or a souvenir. If you need "additional vaccines" the state or county has official records and will contact you as they do/did for the 2nd shot. That card won't be what gets you a booster shot if needed.

and what you state for Ocala is not true. I had to show the card to them so they could match it up with their records. I did not get a call to remind me to go get it either. The second shot (Pfizer) does have some side affects on me but nothing drastic. But you are correct in that if a third shot is required next year, like the flu, the card will be required. No one knows at this time whether or not this is on and done process or an annual process. Time will tell. All this info came from doctors and nurses on sight yesterday at Paddick Mall.

[terrild53]

The nurses at the Lake County Vaccination Site last week said that after we get our 2nd vaccination we can laminate the card we received to keep in wallets for travel, since right now International travel requires proof of having received vaccine and it’s likely domestic travel could require proof in the future as well. Nothing was said about anything “turning black” if laminated. You can buy the laminating sheets in Staples and it simply sticks on whatever you’re applying it to then trim off any excess. Not a big deal.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by oxfordreb52@gmail.com

and what you state for Ocala is not true. I had to show the card to them so they could match it up with their records. I did not get a call to remind me to go get it either. The second shot (Pfizer) does have some side affects on me but nothing drastic. But you are correct in that if a third shot is required next year, like the flu, the card will be required. No one knows at this time whether or not this is on and done process or an annual process. Time will tell. All this info came from doctors and nurses on sight yesterday at Paddick Mall.

Wait, So they took "your card" over your ACTUAL LEGAL ID to verify what shot you have already had? If true that's ridiculous. SCDOH asked us for DL only, nothing else for 2nd shot because they know exactly what they gave us from RECORDS they had in their hands when we arrived. When we got to the tent they asked if we had our card or needed a new one. We did have it and they scribbled the date and batch on it which is barely decipherable because the card is only for your personal records. You can be sure if you didn't have your card they would still have taken you and given you another one for your 2nd shot.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Fisherman

I was vaccinated in Lake County. I was instructed to give this to all my Drs to put in my medical records. Will also be traveling out of the country in September and have been told I must provide this CDC card. When I traveled all over Asia and Africa, I had to show the same type of vaccination record upon entering the country. Mine has been documented with the lot number of my particular batch. I can not imagine even trying to obtain this information from and state, local or federal agency at this point in time.

Interesting. I have one of those yellow shot record booklets also and was told that I would need it when entering other countries. I have been to dozens of countries and never had to show it once, not even in the good ole U.S. of A. Of course, when I was planning to travel overseas, they told me which shots I had to have before leaving, but no one ever asked me for proof.

[J1ceasar]

I was told there is a NATIONAL database of who is vaccinated .. good to know if the airlines require you to be vaccinated eventually before flights.

Originally Posted by ureout

wife and I went for our 2nd shot today and was told not to laminate the original card.. lamination turns the card black.. they advised us to take a picture of card and keep it on our phones also you can print out a copy of the picture/card and laminate that

[Byte1]

Next year, no one will have any need for this card. Once your doctor puts it in his file for you, you won't need that little card. I have seen some that are hand written. Mine is neatly type printed. I doubt it is for any other use than your own personal use. I don't really care because I have done enough traveling to last a lifetime and have no intention of traveling again. If I have to fly domestically, I am sure this will be over with by then and this card will be a moot point.
In my opinion, this is a big "nothing burger." No one has been denied a flight because of a lack of proof for their flu shot. And after the hysteria winds down, this will be the same.