[ronsroni]

Originally Posted by travelguy

just wondered what other residents think in regard to careless dog owners who allow their pets to run up onto other's lawns, relieve themselves (urine), and on occasion poop and the owners do not pick it up.
we have several 'public areas' on our street (the entrys to villa neighborhoods, which are landscaped and have signs and fences) and the dog owners think that these areas are public toilets for their pooches.

the retractable leashes allow the walker to stay in the street while the dog can go all the way up to the front door and and do their business. really! this is my yard and what are you doing on it? and dog urine can burn patches into the lawn? and what happens when i step into your dog poop? c'mon, give me a break.

if you have discovered a solution to this problem i would love to hear about it. there are only 2 dog parks in all of the villages. seems to me that is so inadequate.
thank you for allowing me to vent.

I am sorry that this is happening and you are right. There are too few dog stations in TV.
BUT...HOWEVER... AS AN ASIDE... there is absolutely NO REASON that a dog should be given free reign to MAKE anywhere his owner deems it necessary. I own 2 dogs. They make the cutest, eensy beensy lil' do do's you have ever slid your bare foot through. Hardly leaves a stain.
Seriously. I would NEVER leave their "BUSINESS" anywhere but in a bag in my hand to go in my garbage in its own container.
But, that's me.
In the dog parks we have these same lazy idiots not picking up or deciding not to carry that bag to the receptacle.... the one they MUST pass in order to get out of the park.
Astounding.
I now yell loudly that YOU LEFT YOUR BAG-O-POOP HERE and have them come back. If they don't, I recall them and handle it another time.
Again, we have shameless, lazy disgusto's in THE VILLAGES also so I am sorry that this is happening. no excuses.
DONT LET THEM WALK AWAY if you see this.
Call them on it... in front of others if you must. No mercy.
Turn your sprinks on. Soak 'em.
Remember one thing. It is NOT the fault of the dog. Dont hate the canine.
Soak the ?HUMAN? but forgive the dog. If you need a backhoe to get rid of the poop, start yelling today. My pups MAKE little ones as they are 12 and 5 pounds respectively.I GUARANTEE they don't poop anywhere unless I allow it. I do not.

[paulandjean]

Originally Posted by sueandskip

I keep waiting for someone to let there dog on my property...I love confrontations,,,,,but they never show !

You moved to the right place then.

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...704-post9.html


Curbing the dog though is probably not the answer unless those that do always clean up their dog's poo on the street. Just imagine the smell in a hot humid garage after a vehicle's tire has picked up considerable fecal matter which has set for a few days.

[Skybo]

Well, after trying to keep my fingers quiet for the past couple of days...here I am...weighing in on this thread as I have on most of the other poop threads. I know people get tired of hearing/reading about it and to an extent I agree with Bogey that posting about it here probably won’t reach most of the offenders. However, I have seen in this thread and other threads, posts from people who try to justify or rationalize their actions, so I know that they are reading and hopefully they will understand what I’m trying to say and possibly rethink their positions.

Barefoot is absolutely correct in assuring new and future residents that in general, TV is very pet friendly. And compared to the thousands of dogs residing here in TV, the poop/pee issue is not a major problem. We just hear a lot about it here because TOTV provides a place to air these discussions. But the fact that it comes up so frequently and generates so many posts is an obvious indication that it is an important issue to many residents.

There are a number of different issues that irritate people ... but I’m going to focus my comments on the topic of trespassing onto other people’s private property. As a dog owner and lover, I am most concerned about this because I know that it is the most prevalent problem, that it is what irks folks the most, and that it is what gives the responsible dog owners in TV a bad rap.

In various threads you read recommendations about turning on sprinklers, putting out cayenne pepper, taking and posting photos, confronting people, etc. And most worrisome to me, as a dog owner, are the discussions about enacting more stringent rules on pet ownership here. Regardless if you pick up after your dog, or if you dilute their urine, or even if you just allow them to walk on the grass to cool their paws or sniff around ... you are doing a disservice to every other dog owner and their dogs in TV.

I don’t care if you have a tiny dog that poops pure gold nuggets, if you allow your dog onto someone else’s property without their permission, that person has a right to feel infringed upon. You can justify it to yourself and others all day long and it will not change the (rightful) feelings of the homeowners who are offended and angered by it. And trust me, pouring some liquid onto their grass (even if it’s just water) isn’t going to make them any happier. In fact, I think it would increase the likelihood of a confrontation.

Please remember that your dog probably isn’t the only one visiting their property on a daily basis. Certain home sites, such as corner lots or those with plantings close to the road, attract more dogs. And the more times a piece of property is marked, the more attractive it is to the next dog walking down the street.

For those who try to infer that they can’t possibly walk their dog down the street without them pooping or marking on someone else’s property, please know this...there are thousands of us who can and do manage to walk our dogs every day through our neighborhoods without trespassing on private property, and we aren’t buying your story. We do it by keeping our dogs on a short leash and not allowing them to walk on other people’s property. It’s very simple. My dogs are attracted to the scents on private grass and landscaping and they want to mark it, but I don’t allow them to. If we are walking for exercise, we stay in the road and we get our exercise. If nature calls and they truly have to go, then they do it in the street and I clean it up. If we are out to just enjoy the day and let dogs be dogs, we do so in an area that doesn’t infringe on the property rights of others.

Please, I’m imploring you, don’t let your dogs go onto someone else’s property unless you have that homeowner’s permission. Don’t assume that just because you live in a neighborhood with a lot of dogs, that all of the homeowners in that neighborhood don’t care if your dog uses their yard. Just because someone has dogs of their own, it doesn’t mean they are cool with other dogs going into their yard.

All of us dog owners have an obligation to be hyper-vigilant in respecting the rights of others and to ensure that we aren’t irritating or angering our neighbors. I think it's the sense of entitlement that some dog owners have that bothers people as much, if not more, than anything else. We must all do our part to keep TV pet-friendly.

[ilovetv]

For those who try to infer that they can’t possibly walk their dog down the street without them pooping or marking on someone else’s property, please know this...there are thousands of us who can and do manage to walk our dogs every day through our neighborhoods without trespassing on private property, and we aren’t buying your story. We do it by keeping our dogs on a short leash and not allowing them to walk on other people’s property. It’s very simple. My dogs are attracted to the scents on private grass and landscaping and they want to mark it, but I don’t allow them to. If we are walking for exercise, we stay in the road and we get our exercise. If nature calls and they truly have to go, then they do it in the street and I clean it up. If we are out to just enjoy the day and let dogs be dogs, we do so in an area that doesn’t infringe on the property rights of others.

I agree. And regarding the need for more dog parks in TV: Something often seen here is that many dog owners have a dog so big it needs acreage to live and run on, to be fair to the dog. But the owners have an apartment-sized home here. Once the big dog is in dog heaven, it would be a good idea to make the next pup a smaller breed.

[Halle]

Originally Posted by Skybo

Well, after trying to keep my fingers quiet for the past couple of days...here I am...weighing in on this thread as I have on most of the other poop threads. I know people get tired of hearing/reading about it and to an extent I agree with Bogey that posting about it here probably won’t reach most of the offenders. However, I have seen in this thread and other threads, posts from people who try to justify or rationalize their actions, so I know that they are reading and hopefully they will understand what I’m trying to say and possibly rethink their positions.

Barefoot is absolutely correct in assuring new and future residents that in general, TV is very pet friendly. And compared to the thousands of dogs residing here in TV, the poop/pee issue is not a major problem. We just hear a lot about it here because TOTV provides a place to air these discussions. But the fact that it comes up so frequently and generates so many posts is an obvious indication that it is an important issue to many residents.

There are a number of different issues that irritate people ... but I’m going to focus my comments on the topic of trespassing onto other people’s private property. As a dog owner and lover, I am most concerned about this because I know that it is the most prevalent problem, that it is what irks folks the most, and that it is what gives the responsible dog owners in TV a bad rap.

In various threads you read recommendations about turning on sprinklers, putting out cayenne pepper, taking and posting photos, confronting people, etc. And most worrisome to me, as a dog owner, are the discussions about enacting more stringent rules on pet ownership here. Regardless if you pick up after your dog, or if you dilute their urine, or even if you just allow them to walk on the grass to cool their paws or sniff around ... you are doing a disservice to every other dog owner and their dogs in TV.

I don’t care if you have a tiny dog that poops pure gold nuggets, if you allow your dog onto someone else’s property without their permission, that person has a right to feel infringed upon. You can justify it to yourself and others all day long and it will not change the (rightful) feelings of the homeowners who are offended and angered by it. And trust me, pouring some liquid onto their grass (even if it’s just water) isn’t going to make them any happier. In fact, I think it would increase the likelihood of a confrontation.

Please remember that your dog probably isn’t the only one visiting their property on a daily basis. Certain home sites, such as corner lots or those with plantings close to the road, attract more dogs. And the more times a piece of property is marked, the more attractive it is to the next dog walking down the street.

For those who try to infer that they can’t possibly walk their dog down the street without them pooping or marking on someone else’s property, please know this...there are thousands of us who can and do manage to walk our dogs every day through our neighborhoods without trespassing on private property, and we aren’t buying your story. We do it by keeping our dogs on a short leash and not allowing them to walk on other people’s property. It’s very simple. My dogs are attracted to the scents on private grass and landscaping and they want to mark it, but I don’t allow them to. If we are walking for exercise, we stay in the road and we get our exercise. If nature calls and they truly have to go, then they do it in the street and I clean it up. If we are out to just enjoy the day and let dogs be dogs, we do so in an area that doesn’t infringe on the property rights of others.

Please, I’m imploring you, don’t let your dogs go onto someone else’s property unless you have that homeowner’s permission. Don’t assume that just because you live in a neighborhood with a lot of dogs, that all of the homeowners in that neighborhood don’t care if your dog uses their yard. Just because someone has dogs of their own, it doesn’t mean they are cool with other dogs going into their yard.

All of us dog owners have an obligation to be hyper-vigilant in respecting the rights of others and to ensure that we aren’t irritating or angering our neighbors. I think it's the sense of entitlement that some dog owners have that bothers people as much, if not more, than anything else. We must all do our part to keep TV pet-friendly.

Thank you! I agree if people would respect their neighbors property and not allow their dogs on their neighbors yard it would go a long way in solving the problem. I own two large dogs and do not allow them on anyones lawn.

I think more dog parks would be great but don't believe it would solve the problem due to people not being willing to drive to a dog park everytime their dogs need to relieve themselves.

[shcisamax]

People walk on our property all the time to retrieve their golf ball that didn't go where it should. They all know they shouldn't but do... some looking sheepish, some laughing. So although I sympathize with the issues of dogs pooping or peeing on someone's property because it is very annoying and I do feel it is absolutely the owner's responsibility to pick it up pronto, I don't really see that these dog owners are so different from those traipsing across my property. They are blatantly ignoring my space, my private property...and my dog gets agitated when someone comes in close to the house from the rear so starts barking on the patio which of course infringes on my neighbors. But then, I smile and think it simply isn't that important. I think everyone needs to chill.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Skybo

Well, after trying to keep my fingers quiet for the past couple of days...here I am...weighing in on this thread as I have on most of the other poop threads. I know people get tired of hearing/reading about it and to an extent I agree with Bogey that posting about it here probably won’t reach most of the offenders. However, I have seen in this thread and other threads, posts from people who try to justify or rationalize their actions, so I know that they are reading and hopefully they will understand what I’m trying to say and possibly rethink their positions.

Barefoot is absolutely correct in assuring new and future residents that in general, TV is very pet friendly. And compared to the thousands of dogs residing here in TV, the poop/pee issue is not a major problem. We just hear a lot about it here because TOTV provides a place to air these discussions. But the fact that it comes up so frequently and generates so many posts is an obvious indication that it is an important issue to many residents.

There are a number of different issues that irritate people ... but I’m going to focus my comments on the topic of trespassing onto other people’s private property. As a dog owner and lover, I am most concerned about this because I know that it is the most prevalent problem, that it is what irks folks the most, and that it is what gives the responsible dog owners in TV a bad rap.

In various threads you read recommendations about turning on sprinklers, putting out cayenne pepper, taking and posting photos, confronting people, etc. And most worrisome to me, as a dog owner, are the discussions about enacting more stringent rules on pet ownership here. Regardless if you pick up after your dog, or if you dilute their urine, or even if you just allow them to walk on the grass to cool their paws or sniff around ... you are doing a disservice to every other dog owner and their dogs in TV.

I don’t care if you have a tiny dog that poops pure gold nuggets, if you allow your dog onto someone else’s property without their permission, that person has a right to feel infringed upon. You can justify it to yourself and others all day long and it will not change the (rightful) feelings of the homeowners who are offended and angered by it. And trust me, pouring some liquid onto their grass (even if it’s just water) isn’t going to make them any happier. In fact, I think it would increase the likelihood of a confrontation.

Please remember that your dog probably isn’t the only one visiting their property on a daily basis. Certain home sites, such as corner lots or those with plantings close to the road, attract more dogs. And the more times a piece of property is marked, the more attractive it is to the next dog walking down the street.

For those who try to infer that they can’t possibly walk their dog down the street without them pooping or marking on someone else’s property, please know this...there are thousands of us who can and do manage to walk our dogs every day through our neighborhoods without trespassing on private property, and we aren’t buying your story. We do it by keeping our dogs on a short leash and not allowing them to walk on other people’s property. It’s very simple. My dogs are attracted to the scents on private grass and landscaping and they want to mark it, but I don’t allow them to. If we are walking for exercise, we stay in the road and we get our exercise. If nature calls and they truly have to go, then they do it in the street and I clean it up. If we are out to just enjoy the day and let dogs be dogs, we do so in an area that doesn’t infringe on the property rights of others.

Please, I’m imploring you, don’t let your dogs go onto someone else’s property unless you have that homeowner’s permission. Don’t assume that just because you live in a neighborhood with a lot of dogs, that all of the homeowners in that neighborhood don’t care if your dog uses their yard. Just because someone has dogs of their own, it doesn’t mean they are cool with other dogs going into their yard.

All of us dog owners have an obligation to be hyper-vigilant in respecting the rights of others and to ensure that we aren’t irritating or angering our neighbors. I think it's the sense of entitlement that some dog owners have that bothers people as much, if not more, than anything else. We must all do our part to keep TV pet-friendly.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is so well stated, it should be a sticky. Thank you, Skybo.

[notlongnow]

Did the people that get so out of shape on this topic have this problem where they lived before. Seems like if you have a dog you need diapers, a power of attorney from each home owner in your neighborhood and maybe a bullet proof vest just in case your dog surprises you and squats with out the owners permission.
When an outsider like me reads this it looks like The Villages is "Florida's Friendliest Retirement Hometown" except for this one little thing.
Geez!

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Didiwinbob

I understand the people that does not want dogs to pee or poop on their property- I get it for the 1,000,000th time. I look forward walking with my dogs. They are my motivation to exercise. Having them relieve themselves before we head out sure. Dogs and bitches mark their territory! Can I try to suppress their instinct as we exercise? No! Darn it all it is grass not your living room floor! Give canines a break. I can put diapers on them but how silly would that be. When they decide they need to pee or poop you will not see me dragging them back to my yard. It just won't happen I will have clean-up supplies and a bottle of water to dilute the urine and if it will make you rest easier I will have a squirt bottle of Otoban so it will take away the smell. So when you see a Shar Pei and a Basset/shar Pei walking alone side a very proud smiling lady with a packpack full of supplies to appease those that continue to go on and on.. Wave and I will be proud to introduce you to my family. I can't introduce you to my human family as they are no longer living. Stop being so mean!!!!


Chris

Please refer to post number 65. It is an outstanding post!

[travelguy]

I want to thank the person who posted #65. You said it all and said it great!
Thank you.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

People walk on our property all the time to retrieve their golf ball that didn't go where it should. They all know they shouldn't but do... some looking sheepish, some laughing. So although I sympathize with the issues of dogs pooping or peeing on someone's property because it is very annoying and I do feel it is absolutely the owner's responsibility to pick it up pronto, I don't really see that these dog owners are so different from those traipsing across my property. They are blatantly ignoring my space, my private property...and my dog gets agitated when someone comes in close to the house from the rear so starts barking on the patio which of course infringes on my neighbors. But then, I smile and think it simply isn't that important. I think everyone needs to chill.

Good post. This seems to be at the point where someone is going to call 911 because a dog is pooping or peeing on their property. And, I do not believe that when your dog sees a squirrel, rabbit, or whatever that you are always in control of it. Nor, that you are always in control of it when you are out walking. This does not happen in real life unless you are in a community with front yard fences and neighbors who hate one another and/or are alienated from one another.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by Skybo

Well, after trying to keep my fingers quiet for the past couple of days...here I am...weighing in on this thread as I have on most of the other poop threads. I know people get tired of hearing/reading about it and to an extent I agree with Bogey that posting about it here probably won’t reach most of the offenders. However, I have seen in this thread and other threads, posts from people who try to justify or rationalize their actions, so I know that they are reading and hopefully they will understand what I’m trying to say and possibly rethink their positions.

Barefoot is absolutely correct in assuring new and future residents that in general, TV is very pet friendly. And compared to the thousands of dogs residing here in TV, the poop/pee issue is not a major problem. We just hear a lot about it here because TOTV provides a place to air these discussions. But the fact that it comes up so frequently and generates so many posts is an obvious indication that it is an important issue to many residents.

There are a number of different issues that irritate people ... but I’m going to focus my comments on the topic of trespassing onto other people’s private property. As a dog owner and lover, I am most concerned about this because I know that it is the most prevalent problem, that it is what irks folks the most, and that it is what gives the responsible dog owners in TV a bad rap.

In various threads you read recommendations about turning on sprinklers, putting out cayenne pepper, taking and posting photos, confronting people, etc. And most worrisome to me, as a dog owner, are the discussions about enacting more stringent rules on pet ownership here. Regardless if you pick up after your dog, or if you dilute their urine, or even if you just allow them to walk on the grass to cool their paws or sniff around ... you are doing a disservice to every other dog owner and their dogs in TV.

I don’t care if you have a tiny dog that poops pure gold nuggets, if you allow your dog onto someone else’s property without their permission, that person has a right to feel infringed upon. You can justify it to yourself and others all day long and it will not change the (rightful) feelings of the homeowners who are offended and angered by it. And trust me, pouring some liquid onto their grass (even if it’s just water) isn’t going to make them any happier. In fact, I think it would increase the likelihood of a confrontation.

Please remember that your dog probably isn’t the only one visiting their property on a daily basis. Certain home sites, such as corner lots or those with plantings close to the road, attract more dogs. And the more times a piece of property is marked, the more attractive it is to the next dog walking down the street.

For those who try to infer that they can’t possibly walk their dog down the street without them pooping or marking on someone else’s property, please know this...there are thousands of us who can and do manage to walk our dogs every day through our neighborhoods without trespassing on private property, and we aren’t buying your story. We do it by keeping our dogs on a short leash and not allowing them to walk on other people’s property. It’s very simple. My dogs are attracted to the scents on private grass and landscaping and they want to mark it, but I don’t allow them to. If we are walking for exercise, we stay in the road and we get our exercise. If nature calls and they truly have to go, then they do it in the street and I clean it up. If we are out to just enjoy the day and let dogs be dogs, we do so in an area that doesn’t infringe on the property rights of others.

Please, I’m imploring you, don’t let your dogs go onto someone else’s property unless you have that homeowner’s permission. Don’t assume that just because you live in a neighborhood with a lot of dogs, that all of the homeowners in that neighborhood don’t care if your dog uses their yard. Just because someone has dogs of their own, it doesn’t mean they are cool with other dogs going into their yard.

All of us dog owners have an obligation to be hyper-vigilant in respecting the rights of others and to ensure that we aren’t irritating or angering our neighbors. I think it's the sense of entitlement that some dog owners have that bothers people as much, if not more, than anything else. We must all do our part to keep TV pet-friendly.

:b igbow:

[Didiwinbob]

[QUOTE=KeepingItReal;570923]Please refer to post number 65. It is an outstanding post!

I respect your point of view.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by notlongnow;570838[B

]Did the people that get so out of shape on this topic have this problem where they lived before. Seems like if you have a dog you need diapers, a power of attorney[/B] from each home owner in your neighborhood and maybe a bullet proof vest just in case your dog surprises you and squats with out the owners permission.
When an outsider like me reads this it looks like The Villages is "Florida's Friendliest Retirement Hometown" except for this one little thing.
Geez!

Yes, we did have this problem once in awhile in suburban developments in the midwest. But here it is much different, because the population size and density of homes in a neighborhood here concentrates the higher number of dogs being walked in a particular area that has much less grass and often no sidewalks with berms.

One thing that is different with walking the dogs here is that in suburban neighborhoods, we had sidewalks with the grass berm between the sidewalk and the curb. THAT grass between sidewalk and curb is what most dogs used, NOT the lawn between sidewalk and house which belonged to the homeowner.

The problem I see here is that a lot of dog owners seem to think it is cruel or something to make the pavement or sidewalk the dog's only option....like it is cruel to not let the dog have somebody's GRASS to dump/pee on. Our dog goes crazy sniffing the neighbors' grass as we walk her, but we do not ALLOW her to get ONTO others' grass. Pavement or sidewalk is her only option with our hold on the leash, and we clean it up from the pavement and sidewalk so people don't drive or walk poop into their driveway and garage.

Also, many seem to think the grass of their own yard is not enough and so they must go out and look for others' grass to use. I think some ought to think about buying a piece of pasture just outside TV, as their own dog yard.