[rubicon]

Steve and Cajulian: Let's begin with basics. All this discussion hasn't been created by village residents continuing breaches into Stonecrest, Water Oaks, etc. No we have this problem because like Stonecrest the theme was why pay more for the village lifestyle when you can have more with less and still have the village lifestyle.

Second Lets envision a map of The Villages and divide it into two parts both colored. The commercial district is green and the private residential district is red.

Green belongs ( owns, rents, etc) to the Developer and comprises his commercial interests which are open to the public. Green means go and all non-residents are welcomed.

The Red District belongs to residents who purchased a home at a premium, paid a bond and pay a monthly amenity fee which supports amenities such as rec centers, executive golf courses, multi-modal paths, etc.
Residents of Stonecrest ,etc had an equal opportunity to make such a purchase but chose otherwise. It would seem that breaching the red zone is the persistent goal of some residents of Stonecrest, Water Oaks, Spruce Creek, Oxford, etc.

Please don't get mad at us if we object and desire borders because we have and continue to pay our dues. The Villages is expanding at a rapid pace and we do not need additional traffic on our MMP, etc.

Fair is fair



Personal Best Regards:

[Allegiance]

Can water oak residents drive their regular non lsv to the villages? Curious.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Steve and Cajulian: Let's begin with basics. All this discussion hasn't been created by village residents continuing breaches into Stonecrest, Water Oaks, etc. No we have this problem because like Stonecrest the theme was why pay more for the village lifestyle when you can have more with less and still have the village lifestyle.

Second Lets envision a map of The Villages and divide it into two parts both colored. The commercial district is green and the private residential district is red.

Green belongs ( owns, rents, etc) to the Developer and comprises his commercial interests which are open to the public. Green means go and all non-residents are welcomed.

The Red District belongs to residents who purchased a home at a premium, paid a bond and pay a monthly amenity fee which supports amenities such as rec centers, executive golf courses, multi-modal paths, etc.
Residents of Stonecrest ,etc had an equal opportunity to make such a purchase but chose otherwise. It would seem that breaching the red zone is the persistent goal of some residents of Stonecrest, Water Oaks, Spruce Creek, Oxford, etc.

Please don't get mad at us if we object and desire borders because we have and continue to pay our dues. The Villages is expanding at a rapid pace and we do not need additional traffic on our MMP, etc.

Fair is fair



Personal Best Regards:

Makes sense to me.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

I never said that it was an absolute option to negotiate a reciprocal agreement. Wishful thanking to solve both communities travel problems.

However, the statement stands that "Payback is Hell". If someone takes over that small stretch of property, they have the same right as the Paradise gate owners. They will also have the right to decide who they want to let thru.

Not necessarily. It depends on the conditions of the sale. Duke may require the new owner to continue access to all.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

All of the above is interesting but here is my thought....it is Duke Energy property. It is NOT the Duke Energy cart path. Those who use it as a cart path are trespassers. It doesn't matter why they want to/need to use it. They are trespassing. These people have taken it upon themselves to make it a cart path without authorization or permission. I hope it can be resolved to the best interest of all, but in the meantime...trespasser beware. This is not your property.

Spot on!

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Not necessarily. It depends on the conditions of the sale. Duke may require the new owner to continue access to all.

My money is on the path being closed.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Allegiance

Can water oak residents drive their regular non lsv to the villages? Curious.

Yes, but they don't have access to rec centers, pools, golf courses and other amenities.

The streets are public streets. The golf cart paths are owned by The Villages and are limited to Villages residents.

[Villageswimmer]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

My money is on the path being closed.

Agree. I see this as a PR move by Duke to soften the blow. It's sad that our society has become so litigious.

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Yes, but they don't have access to rec centers, pools, golf courses and other amenities.

The streets are public streets. The golf cart paths are owned by The Villages and are limited to Villages residents.

Can you tell me how they access the villages by regular Golf cart? I would love to get to home Depot and sams via cart.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Nucky

So I took care of my Billing issue with the nice lady at Duke Energy and then asked about the no trespassing issue. She had not heard about it nor received any memo. The beat goes on. I'm not poking the nest. This is part of our routine and we want to do the rite thing. Go to the path and reference my previous post and tell me it has no merit. They don't want you in the power grid or the retention pond or on the path at over 12 MPH. They are not restricting use of the path or they could block it instantly.

Next time you go.................see if she has been informed.

[justjim]

If the path remains open, those living outside The Villages (Stonecrest, Spruce Creek South, Water Oaks, and others, still won't have the same full lifestyle as Villagers. By that I mean, access to recreation centers, executive golf, hundreds of clubs, traveling in your golf cart to Squares, supermarkets, restaurants, etc. etc. However, if the path is closed, some Villagers will be impacted from using the path to get to their desired locations via golf cart outside the Villages. Of Course, they can use their car or if they don't have one they can travel with a friend or call a taxi. Obviously, residents of The Villages can still use the 27/441 golf cart bridge to travel anywhere within The Villages.

When you think about this situation logically, isn't that what we bought into when we purchased a home in The Villages. We have no legal right to drive our golf carts outside of the boundaries of The Villages unless it's legal to do so. The gate (instead of a wall) on paradise lane was put up to allow Villagers to travel in their golf cart where they had been allowed to travel (for many years) but this required traveling outside the boundaries of The Villages and on private property.

In summary, we as Villagers have no right to travel outside of The Villages in a golf cart unless it's legal to do so and those living outside The Villages have no right to travel inside The Villages in a golf cart unless it's legal to do so. It's should be noted that a Street Legal Cart might get you to a lot of places that a regular cart will not allow you to legally travel. However, monitoring these activities, will at best, be a challenge. I wonder if it is even worth the time and effort to do so? Fore!

[Bogie Shooter]

The post 161 removes the emotion and sums the thread up, quite well. Thanks

[biker1]

Strictly speaking, the golf cart paths (aka the Multi Modal Paths) are owned by the CDDs (although it is possible that not all of the paths have as yet been turned over to the CDDs by the Developer). When you use the term "The Villages", I assume you mean the Developer.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Yes, but they don't have access to rec centers, pools, golf courses and other amenities.

The streets are public streets. The golf cart paths are owned by The Villages and are limited to Villages residents.

[MikeyBoo54]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Steve and Cajulian: Let's begin with basics. All this discussion hasn't been created by village residents continuing breaches into Stonecrest, Water Oaks, etc. No we have this problem because like Stonecrest the theme was why pay more for the village lifestyle when you can have more with less and still have the village lifestyle.

Second Lets envision a map of The Villages and divide it into two parts both colored. The commercial district is green and the private residential district is red.

Green belongs ( owns, rents, etc) to the Developer and comprises his commercial interests which are open to the public. Green means go and all non-residents are welcomed.

The Red District belongs to residents who purchased a home at a premium, paid a bond and pay a monthly amenity fee which supports amenities such as rec centers, executive golf courses, multi-modal paths, etc.
Residents of Stonecrest ,etc had an equal opportunity to make such a purchase but chose otherwise. It would seem that breaching the red zone is the persistent goal of some residents of Stonecrest, Water Oaks, Spruce Creek, Oxford, etc.

Please don't get mad at us if we object and desire borders because we have and continue to pay our dues. The Villages is expanding at a rapid pace and we do not need additional traffic on our MMP, etc.

Fair is fair



Personal Best Regards:

Nicely said!

Thanks Rubicon

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Stonecrest is right next to the parking lot for the Doctor's Offices. Would just have to open a gate there. That would make 3 gates.

Thanks Steve. I didn't know that. Still not quite sure what street that would be to get over there within Stonecrest. Guess I will drive around and look.