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Old 04-21-2018, 11:51 AM
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If you considering moving to The Villages ask for a copy of the covenants; if you a new home buyer find your copy. Read it very carefully. It is long and complex; sometimes irrational; applied arbitrarily; but strictly enforced, and is, de facto, unappealable.

1. Long and complex: Your first encounter with the Covenants document is usually at closing. Being long and complex, you will not have time to read it before signing on the bottom line. You are now subject to a document that will have more impact on your daily life than state and federal laws. It is "almost" written as boilerplate for new CCD's (Community Development Districts). But contains within it, little differences for each district, as well as rules that apply only to specific housing styles, and lot locations. So read it very carefully.

2. Irrational: The covenants for my village say that you cannot have man-made landscape ornaments on your front lawn. This is sort of understandable - would you want your neighbor to put a flock on 100 plastic pink flamingos on his front lawn? Being unaware of the front lawn ornament rule, the new villager soon gets a letter from the CCD, saying his little plastic pets are out of compliance. He dutifully complies and the next day his neighbors happily see that pink is gone and the dominant color is again green. However, the day after that, he replants them in his backyard. Why? He read his covenants that night and found no stricture against doing so. Now all the golfers on the course that backs up to his house get to enjoy his landscaping skills. Irrational

3. Arbitrarily applied: The Community Development Districts, which nominally are responsible for covenant oversight, have no inspection group, but what they do have is your neighbor - only if a neighbor reports a possible violation will the CCD jump into action. and send a volunteer to the house to confirm the veracity of the complaint.

The "arbitrariness" enters the picture, because, as the volunteer wends his was to the offending property, it is almost certain he will pass houses with similar offenses. However, his/her orders are to report on the offending property only. The property with 50 artificial deer on the lawn will be ignored by the inspector. One more thing - the complainer can stay anonymous. A similar system was used in Germany in the 1930's.

4. Strictly enforced, and, de facto, unappealable: Once the violation is confirmed by the inspector, you (as the owner of the "pinko" property) are informed of the violation and given a certain time to comply. If you have not complied by the end of that period, the fines can start building up.

Your natural instinct is to appeal, which you have the right to do - to present you case before the CCD. In your mind you would be thinking of your case and its extenuating circumstances - "the volunteer was not an expert on landscaping"; I need the flamingo's as a windbreak"; "would it be ok if I painted them green to match the lawn?" "I think the neighbor who reported me is the one I ran over with my golf cart - he is only looking for revenge." In effect you are looking for a "variance". In my research, I could not evidence of variance has ever been granted to anyone, for any reason, in any village, at any time.

So what are you allowed to appeal? The simple answer is - the rule itself. That is, repeal it for everyone. To go this route, you have to prove something like, "It brings down property value," "Creativity, individuality and artistic taste are subordinated to common boring similarity". "I poled all my neighbors. 93% of them want the rule gone". I doubt if any CDD would bow to such idealistic presentations. Let alone risk the ire of the thousands of others in the district who agree with the rule.

The Villages is a wonderful place to live and play. However, I am writing this because I want to warn potential and new villagers of some of the darker realities, And help them deal with these realities in a realistic way.
One man's opinion. Many of us are thankful that the deed restrictions are in place and enforced as needed.
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Old 04-22-2018, 07:04 PM
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do apologize for using the term "darker realities".However, I am constantly amazed at the color blindness of many Villagers - everything is either black or white - all or nothing - if you don't like one thing about The Villages, leave. Don't you see the beautiful shades of gray in between? Perhaps I should have said, "The less than lily white realities".

You might not believe this but I think There is no better place in Florida for retirees to live and play. However, like all human endeavors, The Villages is not perfect. (I personally hope that i will see real perfection a few seconds after my last breath). But in our current, imperfect world, if we see something that can be done or made better, I think we have a responsibility to, at least point it out to others. If they see it as we do, great. If they don't that is okay too. At least we know their position and solution, and they know ours.

However, the solution is not to ask your antagonist (me), "Please leave because I don't agree with you."

I would like to respond paragraph by paragraph:

Paragraphs 1 and 2 - Many of us who have lived in communities with deed restrictions before, sought a similar place to live.

I too have lived in many deed restricted places. However, in my view, it is not restrictions that make the community a nice place to live; It's how they are interpreted and applied. In my experience, it's the communities where the restrictions are poorly enforced, that your see "plywood bend over ladies."

Paragraph 3: I challenge this posters use of the words "darker realities". Many of us want to live where there is control of plywood bend over ladies and rather enjoy having the sameness in architecture as opposed to someone whose creativity is waaaaaaaaay out there living next door in a failed Frank Lloyd Wright Falling Water attempt.

I have already apologized for my "reality" jab. What I have said in my critique, is based on personal experience. And I will admit that a reasonable amount of these experiences was due to my own lack of pre-planning. That being said, of the 10s of thousands of people who are going to move into the expanding Villages in the future, many will be doing so with the same lack of diligence and planning as I did. I would have welcomed the advice I have given here. Not that it would have been a deal breaker - I still would have bought. But I would have dealt with the "realities' much better. This thread began with the idea of r thread began with the idea of advising pre-buyers of things to know about before they bought. My input as valid as recommending not to waste time with water softener salespeople.

As far as your enjoyment of the sameness of Village architecture, that is a qualitative and esthetical call on your part. Yes. there are folks who do like it and folks that don't. Neither one is wrong. But it feels to me that your position is not based on esthetics, but the fear of the morbidly creative "rabble" trying to burst "The Bubble" and create a dystopia where we now live.

Paragraph 4. If there were a someone or a band of someones who policed deed restriction infringements that would cost the CDD. Maybe not much, but the very beauty of how this place is run includes not wasting money on thousands of things and salaries that add up to a lot of taxes and fees.


Point well taken, but the reality is that the current deed violation inspector(s) is an anonymous and volunteer committee of "one." In every deed-restricted community I have lived, the "Inspectors" were a sub-committee of the HOA board. They did the inspecting; they wrote violation notifications and they advised the board on non-compliances, and recommended legal action, if and only if numerous attempts to reason had failed. Every community member knew who was on this sub-committee. If the violator wanted to appeal their ruling he or she could do so in front of the board and, with the deed compliance committee present to support their case. Like all human developed system it had its flaws. Yes, violators would on rare occasions get physical with committee members. However, the community usually got behind the committee and, for fear of being socially ostracized, the offender would removed his car with the cinderblock tires.

Paragraph Last: If a person finds out that the deed restrictions are unbearable, that person can easily sell his/her home and move where there is freedom to embellish his/her property. The movers are cheaper here in Florida and the opportunities to live in an area without deed restrictions are endless. Look for a neighborhood with numerous outbuildings and rusting vehicles.

I addressed part of this in my first paragraph. Let me end by saying, I bought a house in The Villages. I like it here. I choose not to move. I have the freedom, like every American to live here and to express my views about "here". Ths is my community as well as yours. I will submit to you, Mam, that, if you do not like neighbors who loudly voice displeasure at some of the "realities" in The Villages, that you move. Move to a community of silence and peace and sameness and harmony, As a matter of fact I know of at least five such communities in Florida. And the cost of living would be infinitely less than The Villages. They are all called nunneries.

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Old 04-23-2018, 04:48 PM
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I have one. if you are seasonal or snow bird. no problem. I am a year round and can't use it in the summer. I would not make that the most important decision in buying the home. If you love the home/location. neighbors, the lanai will not be an issue
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Old 04-23-2018, 05:26 PM
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do apologize for using the term "darker realities".However, I am constantly amazed at the color blindness of many Villagers - everything is either black or white - all or nothing - if you don't like one thing about The Villages, leave. Don't you see the beautiful shades of gray in between? Perhaps I should have said, "The less than lily white realities".

You might not believe this but I think There is no better place in Florida for retirees to live and play. However, like all human endeavors, The Villages is not perfect. (I personally hope that i will see real perfection a few seconds after my last breath). But in our current, imperfect world, if we see something that can be done or made better, I think we have a responsibility to, at least point it out to others. If they see it as we do, great. If they don't that is okay too. At least we know their position and solution, and they know ours.

However, the solution is not to ask your antagonist (me), "Please leave because I don't agree with you."

I would like to respond paragraph by paragraph:

Paragraphs 1 and 2 - Many of us who have lived in communities with deed restrictions before, sought a similar place to live.

I too have lived in many deed restricted places. However, in my view, it is not restrictions that make the community a nice place to live; It's how they are interpreted and applied. In my experience, it's the communities where the restrictions are poorly enforced, that your see "plywood bend over ladies."

Paragraph 3: I challenge this posters use of the words "darker realities". Many of us want to live where there is control of plywood bend over ladies and rather enjoy having the sameness in architecture as opposed to someone whose creativity is waaaaaaaaay out there living next door in a failed Frank Lloyd Wright Falling Water attempt.

I have already apologized for my "reality" jab. What I have said in my critique, is based on personal experience. And I will admit that a reasonable amount of these experiences was due to my own lack of pre-planning. That being said, of the 10s of thousands of people who are going to move into the expanding Villages in the future, many will be doing so with the same lack of diligence and planning as I did. I would have welcomed the advice I have given here. Not that it would have been a deal breaker - I still would have bought. But I would have dealt with the "realities' much better. This thread began with the idea of r thread began with the idea of advising pre-buyers of things to know about before they bought. My input as valid as recommending not to waste time with water softener salespeople.

As far as your enjoyment of the sameness of Village architecture, that is a qualitative and esthetical call on your part. Yes. there are folks who do like it and folks that don't. Neither one is wrong. But it feels to me that your position is not based on esthetics, but the fear of the morbidly creative "rabble" trying to burst "The Bubble" and create a dystopia where we now live.

Paragraph 4. If there were a someone or a band of someones who policed deed restriction infringements that would cost the CDD. Maybe not much, but the very beauty of how this place is run includes not wasting money on thousands of things and salaries that add up to a lot of taxes and fees.


Point well taken, but the reality is that the current deed violation inspector(s) is an anonymous and volunteer committee of "one." In every deed-restricted community I have lived, the "Inspectors" were a sub-committee of the HOA board. They did the inspecting; they wrote violation notifications and they advised the board on non-compliances, and recommended legal action, if and only if numerous attempts to reason had failed. Every community member knew who was on this sub-committee. If the violator wanted to appeal their ruling he or she could do so in front of the board and, with the deed compliance committee present to support their case. Like all human developed system it had its flaws. Yes, violators would on rare occasions get physical with committee members. However, the community usually got behind the committee and, for fear of being socially ostracized, the offender would removed his car with the cinderblock tires.

Paragraph Last: If a person finds out that the deed restrictions are unbearable, that person can easily sell his/her home and move where there is freedom to embellish his/her property. The movers are cheaper here in Florida and the opportunities to live in an area without deed restrictions are endless. Look for a neighborhood with numerous outbuildings and rusting vehicles.

I addressed part of this in my first paragraph. Let me end by saying, I bought a house in The Villages. I like it here. I choose not to move. I have the freedom, like every American to live here and to express my views about "here". Ths is my community as well as yours. I will submit to you, Mam, that, if you do not like neighbors who loudly voice displeasure at some of the "realities" in The Villages, that you move. Move to a community of silence and peace and sameness and harmony, As a matter of fact I know of at least five such communities in Florida. And the cost of living would be infinitely less than The Villages. They are all called nunneries.
If an anonymous villager reports a deed restriction that is NOT a deed restriction, then no penalty will be given. Some people would report cactus. I don't think they are deed restrictions.

I don't think there are any cloistered nuns anywhere anymore. And their homes are/were called convents.

I am thinking about whether I am afraid of "rabble" and I am not sure who "rabble" is. But I do like to live in a neighborhood of folks who try to keep things nice.
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Hello to all! My husband and I will be retiring in a few years and are coming down later this month to check out The Villages. I have been searching different real estate websites, including the homes for sale on The Villages website, looking at the photos of the different home styles to narrow down our search for the "perfect" home (if one exists). I have noticed, however, that some of the homes for sale have iron bars installed on the front doors, and even on some windows. This concerns me a little bit. Is there a problem with crime in The Villages where homeowners feel safer with security bars? I've noticed that the majority of the homes for sale that do have bars are located in the older, northern section near Spanish Springs. Thanks for any info you can give.
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We are in the process of buying a CYV in the Calumet Grove/Chatam area. Who are you using for your cable and internet, we are not interested in a landline but with the bundling the major providers push that remains to be seen. We rented earlier this year in Chatam and I believe the owners had Century Link, meanwhile this week we were in Alden Bungalows for a few nights Comcast was the provider. Pros/cons for either service, what is your experience?

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Hi, We are buying a home in TV and closing July 10. Any recommendations for good homeowner insurance agents?
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As billiethekid said, think about buying new furniture here instead of paying so much to ship tired, outdated furniture.

The consignment shops here are full of things that are in good shape but extremely dated, and much of it cost the owner a bundle to ship it here and then it did not fit or did not do justice to a sparkling, fresh new or pre-owned home here.
where is a good place to shop for furniture? We sold/gave away all of our furniture and expect to buy new in TV. We did go through City Furniture during our last visit but I don't see any other places on line. We will be closing on our house 18 June and will need a few pieces so we're not eating, sleeping and sitting on the floor.
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where is a good place to shop for furniture? We sold/gave away all of our furniture and expect to buy new in TV. We did go through City Furniture during our last visit but I don't see any other places on line. We will be closing on our house 18 June and will need a few pieces so we're not eating, sleeping and sitting on the floor.
If money is no object, I don't know.

If I was starting from scratch I would go to amazon and buy and air mattress. They are amazing and easily stored in case you get a house full for the holidays.

I would also buy the biggest folding table they sell and 4 folding chairs. They also come in handy.

Then find someone that can deliver and watch the village ads right here and join a neighbors online group. I forget the name and someone will help me remember. Each village has one.


I remember now---it is called NextDoor-----google it----it's very safe IMHO

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where is a good place to shop for furniture? We sold/gave away all of our furniture and expect to buy new in TV. We did go through City Furniture during our last visit but I don't see any other places on line. We will be closing on our house 18 June and will need a few pieces so we're not eating, sleeping and sitting on the floor.
Look at Babbettes in Leesburg, (soon to have a place near The Villages, I hear) and also look at the consignment shop, Bargains and Treasures, on 466 just east of 302 in a strip mall on the south side of 466.
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Hello to all! My husband and I will be retiring in a few years and are coming down later this month to check out The Villages. I have been searching different real estate websites, including the homes for sale on The Villages website, looking at the photos of the different home styles to narrow down our search for the "perfect" home (if one exists). I have noticed, however, that some of the homes for sale have iron bars installed on the front doors, and even on some windows. This concerns me a little bit. Is there a problem with crime in The Villages where homeowners feel safer with security bars? I've noticed that the majority of the homes for sale that do have bars are located in the older, northern section near Spanish Springs. Thanks for any info you can give.
I live near Spanish Springs and there is no "problem with crime" in TV. I feel totally safe in my home and neighborhood/village. If you read the other online news...you will see most "crime" is a result of too many margaritas. The only "iron bars installed on front doors" I have seen are more decorative than security. I have never seen bars on windows, but if you have, don't worry it is not a reflection of the safety of the neighborhood. Perhaps the homeowner came from a city where that was commonplace and felt more comfortable with that as it was what they grew up with. I have never felt unsafe here. No worries, come and enjoy this beautiful place!
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We are looking for furniture as well because we just bought a CYV in Desoto and found there is an Ashley Furniture Homestore, we use them at home in NY and have had great luck. The closest store we found was Inverness. Good quality and decent prices.
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I have lived here 10 years and have not died from drinking the water, and our clothes wash fine in our water. Great comments. Listen to them. We purchased several pieces of furniture from Kents Furniture in Bellview. All our dealings with them were positive and they deliver to TV., also listen to Gracie, Barbettes Furniture in Leesburg is great. I think they ar opening a store in Brownwood

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