[HawkinsGuy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

"Dealers hate them"? I wonder why they put so much effort into signing Dealers onto their program? []Page not found - CarEdge

CarEdge is just another semi-scam, "buying service". A "lead generator" is EXACTLY what CarEdge is, they're just adding another middle-man that needs to get paid a piece of the action.

I never suggested using their program. It is just a service they provide. I suggested the OP use the search feature to help locate a car and find the days on market to use as a negotiation tool. And many persons are tired of all the add ins and just are uncomfortable negotiating. Purchasing a car from one of the dealers in its network are fully disclosed and lack the markups.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by vettman01

Give them your out the door price which includes dealer fee, sales tax and any other add on they have. It also includes your trade in. Then you write 1 check for that amount and drive the car home. I have done this and saved thousands of dollars over the years.
If they try add anything after that get up and walk away.
Be careful if you deal with Jenkins they love to try and add things in, just say no and walk away.

I agree with your approach, but why would you include a dealer fee in your offer? I have never seen a dealer fee included in any "fair value" pricing suggested by edmunds.com or KBB.com. If these independent third party services don't think a dealer fee is a valid charge, I won't include it in my offer.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by HawkinsGuy

I never suggested using their program. It is just a service they provide. I suggested the OP use the search feature to help locate a car and find the days on market to use as a negotiation tool. And many persons are tired of all the add ins and just are uncomfortable negotiating. Purchasing a car from one of the dealers in its network are fully disclosed and lack the markups.

CarEdge does not have general access to Dealer Inventories. They don't know who has what car, nor do they know how long a new vehicle has been in inventory (nor does that matter, nor is it a significant "negotiating tool" in the New Car world).

They're a "buying club" and you pay dearly for their "help".

[rmagee]

Originally Posted by tv2016

Hi, I’m considering buying a new Honda. I have dealt with Leesburg Honda and would like a different option.

Have you had good experiences with other Honda dealers? (Willing to drive 100 or so miles if necessary)

Thank you.

Ask for Michael Lehman, tell him Ron Magee sent you. We bought two new Honda's there and are very happy. Lifetime free carwash as well.

[Freehiker]

Honda Leesburg tried to charge me almost $3K for a timing chain and water pump service 😂

I crossed them off the list and won’t go back there.

[Just jimmy]

Originally Posted by tv2016

Hi, I’m considering buying a new Honda. I have dealt with Leesburg Honda and would like a different option.

Have you had good experiences with other Honda dealers? (Willing to drive 100 or so miles if necessary)

Thank you.

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We also just bought a new Honda crv hybrid from headquarters Honda in Clermont. We also went through the Costco car buying program. It was great. We dealt with Luis. He is one of the Costco contacts at the dealer. We got a great reduction due to Costco and a good price on our trade. No jumping through hoops. Got exactly what we wanted.

[Maker]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I agree with your approach, but why would you include a dealer fee in your offer? I have never seen a dealer fee included in any "fair value" pricing suggested by edmunds.com or KBB.com. If these independent third party services don't think a dealer fee is a valid charge, I won't include it in my offer.

The dealer fees are specifically mentioned in the "all inclusive price" so that there is no surprise fees they may try to slip in after agreeing to their "out the door" price. Typically they will say "everybody pays this no matter what". Something I never agree to.

It's all part of open and clear negotiating. What ever fees they might try to add are just excess profit, and that comes out of their final price. Edmunds doesn't list it because it is a made up thing to generate money.

Also, be aware that the invoice price is higher than what dealers actually pay. There are sales incentives, the dealer hold back, marketing assistance, and other money the dealer gets (or never pays) that makes buying below invoice still profitable for the dealer.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Maker

The dealer fees are specifically mentioned in the "all inclusive price" so that there is no surprise fees they may try to slip in after agreeing to their "out the door" price. Typically they will say "everybody pays this no matter what". Something I never agree to.

It's all part of open and clear negotiating. What ever fees they might try to add are just excess profit, and that comes out of their final price. Edmunds doesn't list it because it is a made up thing to generate money.

Also, be aware that the invoice price is higher than what dealers actually pay. There are sales incentives, the dealer hold back, marketing assistance, and other money the dealer gets (or never pays) that makes buying below invoice still profitable for the dealer.

Thanks. I use Edmunds and KBB to determine a fair price. If they don't include dealer fees, then I won't pay for them. Also, I won't pay anything for dealer installed options. I consider the invoice to be a totally bogus document that I don't even look at. After the dealer agrees to an out-the-door price, there no way that they will add anything or the deal is dead. Test drive the vehicle you want, get the dealer's offer, make an out-the-door counteroffer based on your research, and give the dealer 15 minutes to accept it. Don't negotiate anything. If they don't accept your offer, then leave. If that happens, they will almost always call you back.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Maker

Also, be aware that the invoice price is higher than what dealers actually pay. There are sales incentives, the dealer hold back, marketing assistance, and other money the dealer gets (or never pays) that makes buying below invoice still profitable for the dealer.

Selling an ICE vehicle for under Dealer Invoice isn't profitable (except in extremely rare circumstances) and any dealer that's doing it, won't be around for long. Of course, you could always buy an EV and a dealer will do almost anything, to get you to take one off his hands.

[Cliff Fr]

Originally Posted by FloridaNancy

I drove to Ocean Honda in Port Richy who were fair and good. However, last year’s $500 oil change in Ocala showed me pettiness. That was more than I’d spent the five years I’d had my last two Hondas. I’ve owned Hondas since 1980
Be careful!

How did they justify $500 for an oil change?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Goofyguy

Just experienced buying a new CRV Hybrid. Test drove at Honda of Leesburg 1st, tried to negotiate a deal. The Honda of Ocala. Ended up purchasing at Gary Yeomans in Daytona. Probably not your same situation as I was trading in a vehicle. Yes you can get more by a private sale but with the tax savings we were fine with it. The offered the most for trade in, lowest price on the car out the door, and offered free oil changes and lifetime warranty which local dealers do not. Worked the deal with "internet sales person" over the phone. Easy to work with. The funny part was the color we wanted was the exact car we test drove in Leesburg, so they had it delivered to the dealership in Daytona, tinted the windows and added accessories, then had it delivered to the house here in TV. So far so good!

I’d be following up on free oil changes. Some dealerships in pass claim that and don’t change oil. If dip stick black and gooey and there no new filter on they didn’t do nothing. Not saying All dealerships do that but you have to follow up and know if they actually done anything. And it they did make sure it not over serviced ( oil level well above dip stick) which I have experienced at several dealerships. I also make sure the filter and drain plug tight. Trust but verify.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

How did they justify $500 for an oil change?

Add ons alike air filter, cabin air filter, nitrogen fill on tire. Labor charge for each item.