[krash]

Thanks to those that defended my comments.... to be safe and not rock the boat, I guess it would behoove me to write of meatloaf recipes.... but then again, there are those that insist upon brown gravy and those that swear by ketchup topping. (Do I dare spell it catsup? )

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[Boomer]

Originally Posted by krash

Thanks to those that defended my comments.... to be safe and not rock the boat, I guess it would behoove me to write of meatloaf recipes.... but then again, there are those that insist upon brown gravy and those that swear by ketchup topping. (Do I dare spell it catsup? )

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You're very welcome, krash.

And I love that you read my yesterday's meatloaf snobbery post, too, and can have a little fun along with me. (I remember when TOTV was a whole lot of fun. (sigh) )

Thank you.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by krash

Thanks to those that defended my comments.... to be safe and not rock the boat, I guess it would behoove me to write of meatloaf recipes.... but then again, there are those that insist upon brown gravy and those that swear by ketchup topping. (Do I dare spell it catsup? )

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That seems to be the new way of TOTV. Anything that is posted will be challenged by one faction or another.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Oh my! I see here that the TOTV Kangaroo Court is in session.

krash, I also see you joined in 2007, which is the same year I did. If you read TOTV on a regular basis, you have probably observed how predictable it is that someone who says something considered "negative" about TV -- in any way, at all -- comes under an almost immediate personal attack. krash, may I present your defense, pro bono.

(At this point. Boomer gets up and walks over to address the jury.)

"Ladies and Gentleman of the TOTV Jury, I am asking you to think a little further about what has been reported about the mess revealed in a 2007 build.

Let's look at a little TV history: If you will recall, 2007 was the height of the bubble. (2007 was the year I was in TV, for the first time. That was when a sales rep in an open house in Amelia told us we had to BUY NOW or we would be sooooooo sorry.)

In 2007 TV could not build houses fast enough. Retirees coming in had been able to sell their houses, in other places, in record time, for record prices, and were coming on down, cash-in-hand.

In fact, 2007 was just at the tail end of the days when buyers were being given a half hour to make up their minds -- or it was on to the next person on the list. (I think it was a half hour -- might have been a little longer, but not much.)

TVers who wanted to change houses could sell fast, too. Sometimes on Sundays, people would peek in at new builds to try to see if they wanted to get on the hot list.

2007 was a building frenzy. Just imagine the pressure those contractors and crews were under. Maybe there were even extra contractors being brought in.

If you really think about it, there most certainly could have been a few houses where things like our OP has described -- in detail -- happened.

(If I may digress:

I have a memory of watching bricklayers working on a house up north. Those guys did not know that I could read what some of them were writing, in a little mortar, underneath those bricks -- writing things about their buddies who were working close to them -- and making sure it was seen by said buddy. That was all being done in innocent fun -- hurt nothing -- but just imagine when the archeologists unearth that house. Yeah. I know. Not the same as garbage, but interesting to know about -- to me anyway.)

My point is that I think our OP is telling the truth. It is an incident trapped in time. That does not mean it happened on every house.

I hope the TOTV Jury will reconsider. There was no need to try and convict. I think reasonable doubt should be in play here. How can there be a conviction that is not beyond reasonable doubt?"


Addendum: We eventually bought a house. 7 years later than 2007.

Thanks for the history.
I believe OP but it was 11 years ago. Does it really have anything to do with today's builders?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

That seems to be the new way of TOTV. Anything that is posted will be challenged by one faction or another.

I think that has always been so. One by one, the voices for and against have been silenced. I won't forget muncle and skyguy and Bonnie and Richard and Ruthie and Donna and Andrea and Bill.

Many screen names became real people and friends and even though many of us disagreed on this forum, we didn't disagree and we had real respect and affection for each other off the forum. I can name two men who posted today with whom I have very different views on today's issues and yet I respect them deeply and have great affection for them and feel the same back from them. It is nice to be of an age that affection can be said and decency assumed.

I hope the debates don't stop and I hope the Morses don't change so I will always think they are a great bunch of hard working people who have created one of the nicest places on this earth.

Most of us are old enough to not take any wooden nickels. It isn't our first rodeo and we know the water on our leg is not rain.

[Chatbrat]

In NJ I was the licensed contractor, in Fl they have journeymen's licenses that are issued by the county; however, a journeyman in Fl must work for an electrical contractor--none of my men were licensed by the state of NJ, if they held a license they could not work on my commercial.union jobs

With a NJ Electrical contractor license, you were either an employer or a worker--A NJ electrical contractor could touch any tools on a union job

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

In NJ I was the licensed contractor, in Fl they have journeymen's licenses that are issued by the county; however, a journeyman in Fl must work for an electrical contractor--none of my men were licensed by the state of NJ, if they held a license they could not work on my commercial.union jobs

With a NJ Electrical contractor license, you were either an employer or a worker--A NJ electrical contractor could touch any tools on a union job

I'm confused... is the NJ way better than the FL way? And why?

Originally Posted by krash

Thanks to those that defended my comments.... to be safe and not rock the boat, I guess it would behoove me to write of meatloaf recipes.... but then again, there are those that insist upon brown gravy and those that swear by ketchup topping. (Do I dare spell it catsup? )

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I didn't want to comment as I have been slammed on this before but my husband is a builder and we found that the basic structure of our house is solid but the trim work was poor. Molding that was not mitered correctly, plumbing that did not line up, electrical wires that were pulled too tight. Our kitchen cabinets were ready to fall off the wall. I don't argue anymore.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by krash

Thanks to those that defended my comments.... to be safe and not rock the boat, I guess it would behoove me to write of meatloaf recipes.... but then again, there are those that insist upon brown gravy and those that swear by ketchup topping. (Do I dare spell it catsup? )

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You can say and post anything as long as the guidelines on this forum are not broached. When I began to post on this forum more than ten years ago and had visited for the first time for a couple of days, visiting friends here who LOVED THIS PLACE...in fact they were NUTS ABOUT THIS PLACE. We went home and had to admit I was pretty impressed but something had to be too good to be true. I read some posts critical of the building and I asked what was wrong with the builder and the homes? Who was the builder? Did anybody ever talk to this guy Morse? How could we be sure that homes were built o.k. with people saying what I read. I was hit with an avalanche of offended people. They called me a troll, they asked what my agenda was, they were really annoyed with me. I was terribly taken back. I thought I had asked a fair question. I remember saying these exact words; "For Pete's sake, I just asked a simple question.

People responded to me without hesitation and told me I was wrong and stupid too. Except for a few, who patiently tried to point out why they liked the homes and this place. They are still my friends. Thank you for your kindness.

It appears we have lots of company who feel good about it here. I think they build a great home. In lower Paradise.

[Chatbrat]

NJ & FL the same as far as residential construction--electrical wise in NJ we left a little more slack for screw ups --in this area with massive cookie cutter construction, inches add up

[PoolBrews]

We purchased a new home on 9/1/2018 - a little over a year ago. This is our 2nd home in The Villages -our 1st was a resale built in 2001, and this was the 1st new construction of my LIFE. The experience couldn't have been better. We did live here the full year, and the day after we closed, I tore out all the carpet and installed vinyl plank flooring. I found no issues anywhere with regard to anything under the carpet that shouldn't have been there.

We did have a number of minor issues over the course of our 1st year, but home warranty took care of everything very quickly and to our complete satisfaction. Based on this, I would have no issue going through this process again.

Maybe I got lucky, but I felt it important to share how it can go well as opposed to seeing only posts on how it can go bad.

[tagjr1]

Originally Posted by Brucernelson

I realize that just because it’s a new house doesn’t mean you won’t have problems. But what really bothers me is the couple of errors that could have resulted in a fire. I’ve attached a pic of the melted stove wires and the vent blockage. The repair guy said that the melted wires are usually caused by not tightening the connections sufficiently causing sparks.

That seems like an awful lot of
dryer lint for a "new" house not used full time?

[BRN_RI_FL]

Originally Posted by tagjr1

That seems like an awful lot of
dryer lint for a "new" house not used full time?

So how do you suggest it got there?

[Chatbrat]

The person who cleans our dryer vent--recommends cleaning every 2 years

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

The person who cleans our dryer vent--recommends cleaning every 2 years

Not for us. We wash stuff a lot. I mean a LOT. We are lint makers at our house. He told us we should have it done more than once a year. Love to keep that pair of Maytags chuggin'. There are three of us and we change clothes a lot.