[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by karostay

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer

AND I was only going over the speed limit because my wife has diarrhea.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

LOL...just in violation of the statute!

Yes, technically in violation of the statute. Yes, I violate the letter of the law. But as I said, it would be impossible and unreasonable for LE to enforce every single law to the absolute letter of the law. What they do and what they should do is deal with situations that endanger the lives and safety of the public.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by karostay

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer

Please give me real life examples where people that you know have ben pulled over for exceeding the speed limit by one or two mph or for rolling through a stop sign when there is no other traffic within miles.

If you can name some, I would bet that the people who were pulled over have either been driving erratically or they are "well known to local authorities" and LE was simply looking for an excuse to pull them over. The police don't want to be wasting their time on silly little "technical" violations.

It's the same as a broken tail light or driving with your lights off at night. I've never heard of anyone getting ticketed for it. Police will usually pull you over and tell you to get it fixed, unless they know that you have been a problem in the past and they are looking for an excuse to pull you over and search your car.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Yes, technically in violation of the statute. Yes, I violate the letter of the law. But as I said, it would be impossible and unreasonable for LE to enforce every single law to the absolute letter of the law. What they do and what they should do is deal with situations that endanger the lives and safety of the public.

Not trying to stir the pot, but as I read this, I am reminded of the few posts I have read on this very board alluding to other laws other than stopping at stop signs criticizing law enforcement for not enforcing the law and being selective in doing so.

I suppose it has to do with the law that WE want to violate or think is anal.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Please give me real life examples where people that you know have ben pulled over for exceeding the speed limit by one or two mph or for rolling through a stop sign when there is no other traffic within miles.

If you can name some, I would bet that the people who were pulled over have either been driving erratically or they are "well known to local authorities" and LE was simply looking for an excuse to pull them over. The police don't want to be wasting their time on silly little "technical" violations.

Had a roommate once who was pulled over at about 2 AM a number of years ao for running a red light Seems he stopped at the light, saw no other cars anywhere and proceeded. Not driving erratic....just broke the law and he paid for it because he did not see the patrol car.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Not trying to stir the pot, but as I read this, I am reminded of the few posts I have read on this very board alluding to other laws other than stopping at stop signs criticizing law enforcement for not enforcing the law and being selective in doing so.

I suppose it has to do with the law that WE want to violate or think is anal.

I don't know many reasonable people that think that it's prudent or reasonable for police to enforce every single minor violation. Like I said, I think that the line is if you do something that creates a danger or threatens the safety of the general public. The other cases are when police are given orders by a city or town to start clamping down either because there have been some incidents at a certain location or the municipality decides they need to raise some funds.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

[Gator Fan]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I don't know many reasonable people that think that it's prudent or reasonable for police to enforce every single minor violation. Like I said, I think that the line is if you do something that creates a danger or threatens the safety of the general public. The other cases are when police are given orders by a city or town to start clamping down either because there have been some incidents at a certain location or the municipality decides they need to raise some funds.

Wow!

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

Doc: forgive me for intervening but I spent my entire career in insurance and can tell you that just the people who claimed" I rolled through because there was no one around for miles" in the same breath also say he came out of nowhere". Ergo the reason for stop signs and stop lights.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

Borrow them from Wildwood. They have 32 police cars. Would only take a month.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

Why hire more police when any law enforcement community can simply run 'target campaigns' such as the 'click it or ticket' campaigns or the DUI checkpoints that are run every weekend/holiday here in NJ?

Some folks actually get the message! Seat belt usage in NJ has been increasing annnually with more than 90% of drivers here being belted in! Those who don't get the message and get stopped get what they deserve.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Doc: forgive me for intervening but I spent my entire career in insurance and can tell you that just the people who claimed" I rolled through because there was no one around for miles" in the same breath also say he came out of nowhere". Ergo the reason for stop signs and stop lights.

First of all, I don't think that we should be lumping stop signs and stop lights together.

Secondly, someone who has been in an accident and did not follow the rules is #1 going to lie about it and #2 deserves what they get. If someone claims to have rolled through a stop sign at a reasonable and collided with another car, they are lying.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Why hire more police when any law enforcement community can simply run 'target campaigns' such as the 'click it or ticket' campaigns or the DUI checkpoints that are run every weekend/holiday here in NJ?

Some folks actually get the message! Seat belt usage in NJ has been increasing annnually with more than 90% of drivers here being belted in! Those who don't get the message and get stopped get what they deserve.

Because we're talking about slowly rolling through stop signs and some people think that every violation no matter how minor should be stopped and ticketed. The only way to do this is to have police stationed at every intersection. Otherwise, some people will get away with breaking the law and some won't. Why should some people just be unlucky? That just doesn't seem fair.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

Wow someone with common sense about this situation. Thanks Doc couldn't have said it better!

[wholman66]

I was always taught to obey the law,,, period.. Have I ever broken a traffic law, absolutely, but the total disregard for stop signs and right turns at red lights, is out of control. Probably will never be corrected, gone on way too long. The issue for me is that it puts my life in danger. I walk early in the mornings and have had to dodge cars, golf carts and bikes in broad day light... They don't pay attention to crosswalks either!!!