[Mleeja]

I get a chuckle out of the comments that if you cannot see the MMPs, then drive your car. What is on the stretts? lane makings, side stiping, and better lighting. All the things we are asking for the MMPs. You can't drive your car to the 7:02 tee time. You can't drive your car to the dog parks in the evenings, you can't drive you car if have started to a square in your cart on a bright sunny day and the rain moves in.

Comments like "drive your car if you can't see" are selfish.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Who said anything about BV? Guess you "need" striping too.

I have paint.

[asianthree]

We just got an email from our neighborhood. I did not realize that the thermal plastic striping was 4 inches wide with a lip, and would be installed 6 inches from the edge of the path. That means that we will lose 20 inches of path. So all those guys stick your knee out are going to be jousting knees, and our bound to collide with the loss of 20 inches. Since this is just an email from my neighborhood I cannot substantiate whether this is correct but thought I would pass it along

[billethkid]

[rogerz]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Another ridiculous comparison between 20 mph golf carts and 70 mph cars.

70mph on Morse or Buena Vista or Stillwateror Odell or ...??
Think about that

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by asianthree

We just got an email from our neighborhood. I did not realize that the thermal plastic striping was 4 inches wide with a lip, and would be installed 6 inches from the edge of the path. That means that we will lose 20 inches of path. So all those guys stick your knee out are going to be jousting knees, and our bound to collide with the loss of 20 inches. Since this is just an email from my neighborhood I cannot substantiate whether this is correct but thought I would pass it along

The email your received may be incorrect. The stripe, painted or thermoplastic will be four inches wide. It would be placed two inches from the edge of the MMP. This will take up 6 inches on either side. If your are concerned, please review the engineering report. It gives a detailed placement of the stripe. Also, everyone please note there will be edge striping in areas where the path is divided.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

The email your received may be incorrect. The stripe, painted or thermoplastic will be four inches wide. It would be placed two inches from the edge of the MMP. This will take up 6 inches on either side. If your are concerned, please review the engineering report. It gives a detailed placement of the stripe. Also, everyone please note there will be edge striping in areas where the path is divided.

I so hate to debate you Mleeja, because I agree with almost everything you post.


But I think that even if we were striped and lighted like midday, that we would still have about the same amount of accidents due to lack of driving skills, loss of vision, and ignoring good driving rules. Many people move here or visit here and have never driven a car and drive a golf cart. Many people drive with a snootfull. Many people have problems with uncontrolled anger and believe stop signs are just a suggestion. I have been stopped at a stop sign and have had another golf cart go around me. I will not mention the team insignia on his cart because I really made people mad the last time I did. BUT here's a hint. It is the state that has the most accidents.

I remember being astonished when I first moved here and read derision toward people who stopped at stop signs from someone who I really respected. I felt like an old stupid fart.

I simply do not drive my golf cart during the high season if I can help it. I drive it to play golf. period. And THAT of course is necessary.

[morriewayne]

side striping for safety

[Retiring]

Graciegirl, bad drivers are everywhere. However, there seems to be more in FL than elsewhere for a reason. I will have to tip toe lightly here, but it may be due to advanced age. I went to college in Daytona Beach and had a motorcycle for the occasional fun ride. My primary transportation was a car but the enjoyment of riding A1A to St. Augustine on a sunny Sunday morning, with the sun rising and few on the road was something truly special.

I may have been 20 but I rode that bike “like a little old lady,” yet I still used up 8 of my 9 lives. I could be at a stop light, on the left side of the lane so I’m directly in front of the driver’s vision and they still hit you. They come out and say I didn’t see you. Really??? I’ve been sitting right in front of you for the last 2 mins in a big red gold wing size bike and you didn’t see me? Yes, that happens more often than you think. The only thing all these people had in common, age.

I just had a birthday (54) so I’m quickly on my way to being one of those people. I pray I have enough self-awareness to know when to sell the car but I doubt it. As the population of TV gets older, you’ll see more driving issues.

[Topspinmo]

Some where over the rainbow! Why not just paint the GC paths with glow in the dark yellow! We would just follow the yellow brick road to Lala land. "somewhere over the rainbow way up high -- there's land that I heard of once in lullaby".

[rogerz]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I so hate to debate you Mleeja, because I agree with almost everything you post.


But I think that even if we were striped and lighted like midday, that we would still have about the same amount of accidents due to lack of driving skills, loss of vision, and ignoring good driving rules. Many people move here or visit here and have never driven a car and drive a golf cart. Many people drive with a snootfull. Many people have problems with uncontrolled anger and believe stop signs are just a suggestion. I have been stopped at a stop sign and have had another golf cart go around me. I will not mention the team insignia on his cart because I really made people mad the last time I did. BUT here's a hint. It is the state that has the most accidents.

I remember being astonished when I first moved here and read derision toward people who stopped at stop signs from someone who I really respected. I felt like an old stupid fart.

I simply do not drive my golf cart during the high season if I can help it. I drive it to play golf. period. And THAT of course is necessary.

Apples and oranges! Will always be drivers of all types on our roads. Suggesting that we should not make safety improvements is a poor position to take.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by rogerz

Apples and oranges! Will always be drivers of all types on our roads. Suggesting that we should not make safety improvements is a poor position to take.

What if the safety improvements have been deemd not neccessary based on engineering reports and accident data over the last few years??

[rogerz]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What if the safety improvements have been deemd not neccessary based on engineering reports and accident data over the last few years??

You haven't actually read the report then. See my earlier post re its faulty data shortcomings. Also know that engineer expressed opposition prior to study, so then we paid him $6500 to conduct a study! Guess what they came up with.

[goodtimesintv]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What if the safety improvements have been deemd not neccessary based on engineering reports and accident data over the last few years??

Engineering reports and accident data that actually gets recorded via police/accident reports mean absolutely nothing compared to actual experience of cart drivers who relate their experiences here.

There are hundreds or even thousands of near-misses in which drivers come up to a sharp curve in the multi-modal path in the dark, and there is no illuminated marking on the shoulder of the path. One that comes to mind is (or was?) on northbound Buena Vista, approaching Stillwater. There are also some north of Spanish Springs, going toward and onto Camino Real multi-modal path.

These incidents of running off the road, or running off the side and hitting something not worthy of a police or insurance report ARE worth it to guard against it with safety lines on the shoulder of the paths. Accidentally running off the pavement can cause a rollover and/or ejection of driver/passenger.

Near misses because of darkness have happened to us and we are under 60 and we are not vision impaired, and we haven't been drunk since college decades ago.

I think the whole thing here on this board is too many "experts" by way of their self-designated "seniority". Just because you (non-specific you) have done something a long time (like ruling the roost here) doesn't make the opinion or proclamation more knowing than others who opine based on their own experiences.

[graciegirl]

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