[billethkid]

Originally Posted by rogerz

Darkness and/or rain creates a visibility issue on curving multi modal path. Oncoming auto headlights adds to problem in some stretches causing golf cart driver to avert eyes. Ability to see something (side stripe, center stripe, reflectors,...), anything that provides a reference point would be useful. Stretch of Buena Vista south of Belvedere is particularly unsafe. Darkness comes early most of year and rain is not infrequent. My eyesight is fine but problem is real.

from the study......65 MMP accidents over a 3 year period!

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by billethkid

from the study......65 MMP accidents over a 3 year period!

Only 12 at night!!

[virgind]

There comes a point where we should either drive our cars at night or dont drive at night or get new head lights on your cart. One of the above.

[scot_atc]

My impression of the majority of folks I've met in TV is that most would bend over backward to help each other out. There appears to be quite a few on TOTV that wouldn't reach into their coin purse for a nickel if there was no direct benefit for them. I hope you are the minority.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by billethkid

from the study......65 MMP accidents over a 3 year period!

Do you believe that is accurate?
It doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Challenger

Only 12 at night!!

Do you, or anyone, know what the cause of those 12 carts accidents at night were attributed to?

[rogerz]

Check engineer study- they chose poor data. Time of year used was summer but they "adjusted" for snowbird season... Time of day was mostly daytime since they used summer data..gets dark earlier in winter. Percentage also based on total number rather a "rate of accidents" during darkness hours vs daytime. Also they gave their opinion "prior to" conducting their study. They were paid $6500 to tell what they already told us for free!!! Tell me what's up with that?

[rogerz]

No it doesn't. Hope this picture is getting clearer for folks!

[rogerz]

Originally Posted by virgind

There comes a point where we should either drive our cars at night or dont drive at night or get new head lights on your cart. One of the above.

If we use that logic then we shouldn't have any striping on automobile roads...we should do away with lighting also.... That argument full of holes.

[rogerz]

Excellent comments... Let's focus on what can improve safety (for all MMP users) instead using opportunity to stake out positions.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by rogerz

If we use that logic then we shouldn't have any striping on automobile roads...we should do away with lighting also.... That argument full of holes.

Another ridiculous comparison between 20 mph golf carts and 70 mph cars.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Another ridiculous comparison between 20 mph golf carts and 70 mph cars.

70 mph cars on BV? Hmmm.

[PennBF]

There is a company who sells small lights for the front of the golf cart and also small lights on the side. The side lights work well in lighting up the curbs and also in the tunnels. These are excellent in helping when driving at night. With the headlights and side lights (where you step into the cart) the curbs are pretty lit to help at night. They are not cheap but if you have a real concern driving at night these are a good way to off set some of that worry?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by rogerz

Check engineer study- they chose poor data. Time of year used was summer but they "adjusted" for snowbird season... Time of day was mostly daytime since they used summer data..gets dark earlier in winter. Percentage also based on total number rather a "rate of accidents" during darkness hours vs daytime. Also they gave their opinion "prior to" conducting their study. They were paid $6500 to tell what they already told us for free!!! Tell me what's up with that?

You hit the nail on the head. But get ready to be attacked and accused of slander for calling a spade a spade.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by outlaw

70 mph cars on BV? Hmmm.

Who said anything about BV? Guess you "need" striping too.