[outlaw]

Originally Posted by rustyp

District 4 already did it last year. Take a ride up on the cart paths by Nancy Lopez golf course and see. The district did the centerline stripe. I am not down in The Villages at the moment and I can't remember if they also striped the sides. As mentioned here recently darkness, rain, and tinted windshields are a perfect storm. My own opinion is side striping may be the way to go. It's about be able to see where the path is especially when being blinded by an oncoming cart. My natural tendency is to momentarily look at the side in this situation to limit the blinding. Also I would suspect the side stripes would last longer - less tire contact then the centerline stripe.

No side stripes on CCD4 MMPs. Just centerline. I like it.

[biker1]

So now you are accusing the engineer of unprofessional behavior? What is your basis for these accusations? Probably none. You should be careful about slandering someone.

Originally Posted by outlaw

I don't put much credence in this engineer's conclusion. I believe he was giving the customer the answer they were looking for. Before attacking me, this is just my feeling. I personally witnessed many studies written to support what the customer was looking for. To me, it is common sense to safely drive on a cart path with a striped line down the middle. If someone is so confused then they should not be driving, period.

[billethkid]

and then maybe the accident rate will go down from 12 every 3 years to something less!!

[twoplanekid]

Almost everything we have discussed on this forum is being considered by my District 10 supervisors as recorded in the minutes of their September 10th meeting starting on page 8 of the PDF -> VCDD Meetings/Agendas

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by biker1

So now you are accusing the engineer of unprofessional behavior? What is your basis for these accusations? Probably none. You should be careful about slandering someone.

I don't believe the engineering company was unprofessional and no one is making this accusation. They just looked a a very narrow set of data, Reported accidents and Florida statuorty requirements. This may be all they were reqested to do by the PWAC. They said striping was not warrented by the State of Florida and the accident data did not support side striping. They also said if The Villages chose to do side striping how it should be done and the materials.

I am a proponent of striping, but I agree it should be in all districts. I am bothered seeing district 8 going rogue. It is not making the situation any better.

I would like to see a more comprehensive traffic study conducted on the MMPs by a different firm specializing in traffic flow surveys. Kindof like a second doctor's opinion.

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I don't believe the engineering company was unprofessional and no one is making this accusation. They just looked a a very narrow set of data, Reported accidents and Florida statuorty requirements. This may be all they were reqested to do by the PWAC. They said striping was not warrented by the State of Florida and the accident data did not support side striping. They also said if The Villages chose to do side striping how it should be done and the materials.

I am a proponent of striping, but I agree it should be in all districts. I am bothered seeing district 8 going rogue. It is not making the situation any better.

I would like to see a more comprehensive traffic study conducted on the MMPs by a different firm specializing in traffic flow surveys. Kindof like a second doctor's opinion.

As found of the District gov web site and I quote:

Richard Busche of Kimley-Horn & Associates clarified that as a Professional Engineer, his final recommendation included within the design study is that edge line markings are not warranted and are not recommended and it is his recommendation that the edge lines striping not be installed. Mr. Busche stated the reference on page 7 is stated in response to a specific option included for in the Manual of Uniform of Traffic Devices (MUTCD) but is not the final conclusion.

see Page 7 http://districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMe...20150720pa0301

I would also like to see a more comprehensive traffic study !

[biker1]

I don't believe they acted unprofessionally either but it was suggested, without any supporting evidence, that they did. Go back a few posts and reread.

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I don't believe the engineering company was unprofessional and no one is making this accusation. They just looked a a very narrow set of data, Reported accidents and Florida statuorty requirements. This may be all they were reqested to do by the PWAC. They said striping was not warrented by the State of Florida and the accident data did not support side striping. They also said if The Villages chose to do side striping how it should be done and the materials.

I am a proponent of striping, but I agree it should be in all districts. I am bothered seeing district 8 going rogue. It is not making the situation any better.

I would like to see a more comprehensive traffic study conducted on the MMPs by a different firm specializing in traffic flow surveys. Kindof like a second doctor's opinion.

[golfing eagles]

I have to admit I have no experience with this issue and hence, no opinion. My golf cart is not yet built, I've driven less than 10 miles on the MMPs and probably less than 1 mile at night. Therefore , I was going to keep my big yap shut. But......
I then thought of looking at the issue from a much broader perspective, not getting bogged down in engineering reports, which district did what, or how much bang for the buck would be realized from striping.
Are we a community---"America's Friendliest Hometown", or are we starting to gravitate toward the national trend of "what's good for me as an individual" or a "me first" attitude. Clearly, after 142 posts, there are those who favor and those who oppose striping. There are those that feel they can drive safely with MMPs as is, and those who would like enhanced visibility.
The question , as a community, is how far to go to accommodate those who need the extra help--literally a cost-benefit analysis. Even if you can drive without problems as is, enhanced visibility doesn't hurt you. It may, however greatly help your neighbor, even prevent injury.
There is a cost issue which runs through this thread. But we pay for plenty of "stuff" that does not directly benefit the individual. How many of us have children in the school district, yet we pay school tax. How many of us use food stamps, yet I don't believe any of us want children to starve. Certain spending is shared by all because it benefits the community as a whole, not necessarily every individual. The suggestion that someone should not drive a cart if they are having visibility issues that could be improved is absurd. Just because I can drive I-95 at 100 mph doesn't mean everyone who can't should be home watching TV.
I also have the sense that if some great philanthropist came along to pay for any enhancement to MMPs we want, there would be side and center striping, with reflectors, bright streetlights, computer lane departure and front collision alarms, electronic direction and traffic flow signs. Who would object?
I would hate to see the following news interview with a new widow
Interviewer: What happened here?
Widow: My husband was driving but couldn't see the path well---he drove us into a ditch and was killed. I wish they would have striped the paths

How often have we all seen nothing done until tragedy strikes?

I'm sure my position will "evolve" with more experience. For now please forgive my uncharacteristic foray into the world of somewhat liberal thought. I will now retreat back to republican politics and fox news

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I have to admit I have no experience with this issue and hence, no opinion. My golf cart is not yet built, I've driven less than 10 miles on the MMPs and probably less than 1 mile at night. Therefore , I was going to keep my big yap shut. But......
I then thought of looking at the issue from a much broader perspective, not getting bogged down in engineering reports, which district did what, or how much bang for the buck would be realized from striping.
Are we a community---"America's Friendliest Hometown", or are we starting to gravitate toward the national trend of "what's good for me as an individual" or a "me first" attitude. Clearly, after 142 posts, there are those who favor and those who oppose striping. There are those that feel they can drive safely with MMPs as is, and those who would like enhanced visibility.
The question , as a community, is how far to go to accommodate those who need the extra help--literally a cost-benefit analysis. Even if you can drive without problems as is, enhanced visibility doesn't hurt you. It may, however greatly help your neighbor, even prevent injury.
There is a cost issue which runs through this thread. But we pay for plenty of "stuff" that does not directly benefit the individual. How many of us have children in the school district, yet we pay school tax. How many of us use food stamps, yet I don't believe any of us want children to starve. Certain spending is shared by all because it benefits the community as a whole, not necessarily every individual. The suggestion that someone should not drive a cart if they are having visibility issues that could be improved is absurd. Just because I can drive I-95 at 100 mph doesn't mean everyone who can't should be home watching TV.
I also have the sense that if some great philanthropist came along to pay for any enhancement to MMPs we want, there would be side and center striping, with reflectors, bright streetlights, computer lane departure and front collision alarms, electronic direction and traffic flow signs. Who would object?
I would hate to see the following news interview with a new widow
Interviewer: What happened here?
Widow: My husband was driving but couldn't see the path well---he drove us into a ditch and was killed. I wish they would have striped the paths

How often have we all seen nothing done until tragedy strikes?

I'm sure my position will "evolve" with more experience. For now please forgive my uncharacteristic foray into the world of somewhat liberal thought. I will now retreat back to republican politics and fox news

I like this guy! Well said. I am a little disappointed that you state that you'll now retreat back to ....

Unfortunately, logic, caring and good ole common sense are sometimes hard to find.

Xavier

[Walter123]

This is one of the top ten stupid ideas discussed on this site. What good would side stripping really do? Isn't it enough that if your tires hit the grass along side the path you know you're off the path? You're not going to fall of the edge of the earth. Some say that an MMP is the same as a highway which have stripping. Highways also have guard rails. Should we also install guard rails? If we did then we could put side bumpers on our carts and we could bounce off the rails. I would not be opposed to center striping nut side striping is a waste of time and money. Pay attention to your driving instead of depending on a white stripe to keep you safe.

[tomwed]

What about those little speed bump reflectors? They never need servicing.

And if you drift because you are on the cell phone [big mistake], falling asleep [big mistake], in a rainstorm [act of God], very dark outside and the driver has poor vision [fact of life], daydreaming [little mistake], drank too much[big mistake], overtaking a bicycle [no harm done] ----you would get a little reminder [thump,thump,thump].

[OCsun]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I have to admit I have no experience with this issue and hence, no opinion. My golf cart is not yet built, I've driven less than 10 miles on the MMPs and probably less than 1 mile at night. Therefore , I was going to keep my big yap shut. But......
I then thought of looking at the issue from a much broader perspective, not getting bogged down in engineering reports, which district did what, or how much bang for the buck would be realized from striping.
Are we a community---"America's Friendliest Hometown", or are we starting to gravitate toward the national trend of "what's good for me as an individual" or a "me first" attitude. Clearly, after 142 posts, there are those who favor and those who oppose striping. There are those that feel they can drive safely with MMPs as is, and those who would like enhanced visibility.
The question , as a community, is how far to go to accommodate those who need the extra help--literally a cost-benefit analysis. Even if you can drive without problems as is, enhanced visibility doesn't hurt you. It may, however greatly help your neighbor, even prevent injury.
There is a cost issue which runs through this thread. But we pay for plenty of "stuff" that does not directly benefit the individual. How many of us have children in the school district, yet we pay school tax. How many of us use food stamps, yet I don't believe any of us want children to starve. Certain spending is shared by all because it benefits the community as a whole, not necessarily every individual. The suggestion that someone should not drive a cart if they are having visibility issues that could be improved is absurd. Just because I can drive I-95 at 100 mph doesn't mean everyone who can't should be home watching TV.
I also have the sense that if some great philanthropist came along to pay for any enhancement to MMPs we want, there would be side and center striping, with reflectors, bright streetlights, computer lane departure and front collision alarms, electronic direction and traffic flow signs. Who would object?
I would hate to see the following news interview with a new widow
Interviewer: What happened here?
Widow: My husband was driving but couldn't see the path well---he drove us into a ditch and was killed. I wish they would have striped the paths

How often have we all seen nothing done until tragedy strikes?

I'm sure my position will "evolve" with more experience. For now please forgive my uncharacteristic foray into the world of somewhat liberal thought. I will now retreat back to republican politics and fox news

Well said!

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by biker1

So now you are accusing the engineer of unprofessional behavior? What is your basis for these accusations? Probably none. You should be careful about slandering someone.

Never mind.

[bagboy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I have to admit I have no experience with this issue and hence, no opinion. My golf cart is not yet built, I've driven less than 10 miles on the MMPs and probably less than 1 mile at night. Therefore , I was going to keep my big yap shut. But......
I then thought of looking at the issue from a much broader perspective, not getting bogged down in engineering reports, which district did what, or how much bang for the buck would be realized from striping.
Are we a community---"America's Friendliest Hometown", or are we starting to gravitate toward the national trend of "what's good for me as an individual" or a "me first" attitude. Clearly, after 142 posts, there are those who favor and those who oppose striping. There are those that feel they can drive safely with MMPs as is, and those who would like enhanced visibility.
The question , as a community, is how far to go to accommodate those who need the extra help--literally a cost-benefit analysis. Even if you can drive without problems as is, enhanced visibility doesn't hurt you. It may, however greatly help your neighbor, even prevent injury.
There is a cost issue which runs through this thread. But we pay for plenty of "stuff" that does not directly benefit the individual. How many of us have children in the school district, yet we pay school tax. How many of us use food stamps, yet I don't believe any of us want children to starve. Certain spending is shared by all because it benefits the community as a whole, not necessarily every individual. The suggestion that someone should not drive a cart if they are having visibility issues that could be improved is absurd. Just because I can drive I-95 at 100 mph doesn't mean everyone who can't should be home watching TV.
I also have the sense that if some great philanthropist came along to pay for any enhancement to MMPs we want, there would be side and center striping, with reflectors, bright streetlights, computer lane departure and front collision alarms, electronic direction and traffic flow signs. Who would object?
I would hate to see the following news interview with a new widow
Interviewer: What happened here?
Widow: My husband was driving but couldn't see the path well---he drove us into a ditch and was killed. I wish they would have striped the paths

How often have we all seen nothing done until tragedy strikes?

I'm sure my position will "evolve" with more experience. For now please forgive my uncharacteristic foray into the world of somewhat liberal thought. I will now retreat back to republican politics and fox news

Your entire post seems to be all about golf cart driving on the Multi Model Paths. When you are here full time and using the MMPs, you will quickly discover that walkers, joggers, runners, bikers, trikers, elliptical riders, etc use these paths along with golf carts. And that is the point of the engineers and those with experience in transportation and public safety.
In their opinion based on their education and work experience, the MMP'S will become "less" safe for anyone using the MMPS who is not operating a golf cart. Especially with center striping, a golf cart highway mentality will be enhanced. That mentality exists already with many cart operators. In their opinion, side striping would not make the MMPs safer, especially for the above mentioned, in fact it could make travel more dangerous.
So do we want to stripe or line the paths for the benefit of a very small minority of golf cart drivers, and forsake the safety of all other users? All of the pro striping advocates opinions are based solely on their personal preference, and what they think is best for the MMPs. Not based on any research or past education or professional experience.
Relating to your past experience, would it be a good idea for a patient to get your diagnosis and course of treatment, only to go home and follow the next door neighbors recommendation who happens to be a mailman? Regardless of what happens, you'll still love being here.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by biker1

So now you are accusing the engineer of unprofessional behavior? What is your basis for these accusations? Probably none. You should be careful about slandering someone.

well the engineer did say the accidents aren't due to lack of striping but rather are due to us all being drunk, stupid and inattentive. not exactly a confidence builder as far as the value of the study in which they set out to prove their prior recommendations were correct.