[npwalters]

Originally Posted by JoMar

As many of us are disappointed that some in a demographic that has seen so much of life are willing to dismiss those that have more data and knowledge as not worthy of their respect and attention. Risking putting your kids and grandkids through fear, even if you catch it and recover, not only shows disrespect for those that believe otherwise, but also shows uncaring for your family. I can't imagine any child or grandkid that loves you saying "what the hell, get out there and enjoy life, it doesn't matter if you get sick, we don't care". Now diesing of course is different, depending on your estate they might think otherwise

If I die with even 1 dollar left in my estate it will be because I didn't plan exactly right.

[GoodLife]

Let's look at what the science says.

Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53·8% involved three cases, 26·4% involved four cases, and only 1·6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79·9%), followed by transport (108; 34·0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...058v1.full.pdf

The risk in outdoor activity is very small, unless it involves large groups of people in close contact.

I wonder if the stay at home advocates realize what they are saying. The only way to achieve zero risk and return to normal is worldwide herd immunity or 8 billion shots of a safe and 100% effective vaccine.

The FDA has never approved a vaccine for humans that is effective against any member of the coronavirus family, which includes SARS, MERS, and several that cause the common cold.

Will There Be a Coronavirus Vaccine? Maybe Not

So you might have a very long shelter in place situation on your hands.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by npwalters

If I die with even 1 dollar left in my estate it will be because I didn't plan exactly right.

EXACTLY!

Fred

[Shamp]

Wrong.... it's the entire country, minus a few states such as Georgia who experts say will double their cases of Covid by August! Sit back, find some hobbies, go for a walk and save OUR lives!

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Let's look at what the science says.

Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53·8% involved three cases, 26·4% involved four cases, and only 1·6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79·9%), followed by transport (108; 34·0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...058v1.full.pdf

The risk in outdoor activity is very small, unless it involves large groups of people in close contact.

I wonder if the stay at home advocates realize what they are saying. The only way to achieve zero risk and return to normal is worldwide herd immunity or 8 billion shots of a safe and 100% effective vaccine.

The FDA has never approved a vaccine for humans that is effective against any member of the coronavirus family, which includes SARS, MERS, and several that cause the common cold.

Will There Be a Coronavirus Vaccine? Maybe Not

So you might have a very long shelter in place situation on your hands.

YES, good info … and at that point most of the Virtue Signalers will have changed their tune ... inevitable!

Fred

"The ideal citizen of a tyrannical state is the man or woman who bows in silent obedience in exchange for the status of a
well cared for herd animal. Thinking people become the tyrant's greatest enemy."
...Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do Til the Revolution

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Shamp

Wrong.... it's the entire country, minus a few states such as Georgia who experts say will double their cases of Covid by August! Sit back, find some hobbies, go for a walk and save OUR lives!

Yes and we have seen how reliable the "experts" opinions have been. But, thankfully, there is no political bias or agenda on their part … WAIT, did I just say that - must be the stale indoor air. And remember, no one will look out for YOUR best interests as YOU will. So we should all determine our own necessary actions and leave others to their own devices. It is a Constitutional Republic, not a tyrannical oligarchy, I believe.


Fred

"The ideal citizen of a tyrannical state is the man or woman who bows in silent obedience in exchange for the status of a
well cared for herd animal. Thinking people become the tyrant's greatest enemy."
...Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do Til the Revolution

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Who?

Agree with Bogie......I have requested this a few times on this forum......PLEASE quote the person you are responding to. We are not mind readers on this forum. Just select "REPLY WITH QUOTE" when responding to a specific comment. Thanks.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Let's look at what the science says.

Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53·8% involved three cases, 26·4% involved four cases, and only 1·6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79·9%), followed by transport (108; 34·0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...058v1.full.pdf

The risk in outdoor activity is very small, unless it involves large groups of people in close contact.

.

Very interesting and not surprising risk is significantly reduced outdoors.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...pr-final_0.pdf

Increasing ventilation of interior interior spaces also looks like a significant risk reducing mitigator.

[Bjeanj]

Originally Posted by Trishakaye

Surely you have some empathy for those who are struggling financially and desperately need to get back to work. As retirees, we can stay home and wait this out if we choose. Unfortunately there are citizens with young children to feed and bills to pay don’t have that luxury. Are you comfortable forcing some families to go on welfare? So you want EVERYONE except those that service YOUR needs to stay inside? We plan to proceed cautiously but won’t criticize other peoples choices.

My post was either partially read, or some people have not been comprehending what I wrote. I never said anything about people who are not retired. I was addressing someone who desperately wanted to play softball. Allow me to articulate more clearly:

I don’t care what you do.

Find an open softball field and play with any friends you can round up. You can accept any consequences that befall you; again, I don’t care.

I will continue to wear a mask while out in public. Just stay away from me or anyone who does not wish to get sick.

Is that more clear?

[Velvet]

The title of this thread made me think: “Soft head, Soft head, Soft-in-the head” almost like a sing along.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by Gary Moscowitz

At the beginning of this, yes, I would have said and did say such an attitude as yours could get us all killed! However, much has happened since, not the least of which is the observation that Covid-19 is not the scourge we all thought, including the experts, it was! Knowledge is power! To further muddy the waters the WHO who once backed China’s propaganda now says the Swedish approach, social distancing when possible, but keeping the economy fully open has their endorsement ! We’re we all hoodwinked? Was this a way for China w the help of the WHO to effectively destroy the economies of other countries because their own suffered? Leveling the playing field , so to speak? Regardless I have changed my tune in that we need to open things back up and I think being overly cautious is not necessarily the way to go. Social distancing where possible & masks when not possible to social distance & effective hand washing should be the limit of our restrictions. When all was said & done the numbers for Sweden who kept their economy running were statistically no different than ours & other countries who followed the US. So other than the real fear( at the time) that our healthcare system would be overwhelmed, none of the other fears came to be! What does that tell us? That our practices of social distancing has worked & in all probability will continue to work with us going about our usual & customary lives. It does require that masks & gloves be readily accessible to ALL! It is still a chore to secure these items! At the same time that we are willing to take our own “risks “ it is important that we do not choose to sue over every & any case of contracted Covid ( sorry for lawyers already foaming at the mouth over anticipated litigations) . I have done an almost 180 & my science/disease education & background tells me it’s time to start living again! My only request for those who want to act as if nothing’s happened, it to simply be more respectful of the people around you. Other than that, let’s start living again as a free thinking, socially responsible & life loving people.

I have come to the same conclusion. I have been self-quarantined since March 10th. The Villages has not had the surge of COVID 19 that we were told and now the curve is down. I think the most dangerous time is behind us. I am glad the I (and others) self-quarantined but believe the time to start opening up is now, while we still have a country to open. I will still wear a mask and see how it goes but I am ready to at least START to try to live a normal life.
Now if I can only find toilet paper!

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Who?

Assume it's you unless told otherwise.

[Artar]

So true. They can"t cure the common cold. There is no vaccine now nor will there be anytime soon. Rest assured the Pharma Lobby will come up w something and everyone will be required to take it. The politicians and media will condemn those who won't take it.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by ffresh

Yes and we have seen how reliable the "experts" opinions have been. But, thankfully, there is no political bias or agenda on their part … WAIT, did I just say that - must be the stale indoor air. And remember, no one will look out for YOUR best interests as YOU will. So we should all determine our own necessary actions and leave others to their own devices. It is a Constitutional Republic, not a tyrannical oligarchy, I believe.


Fred

"The ideal citizen of a tyrannical state is the man or woman who bows in silent obedience in exchange for the status of a
well cared for herd animal. Thinking people become the tyrant's greatest enemy."
...Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do Til the Revolution

Actually the experts have done a petty good job....and since I have no medical experience, no expertise in microbiology, if I think I know more than they do I am a fool. Maybe you know more, but assume you aren't any of those things either or know any more than they do. So what is your basis for looking out for YOU?

[mydavid]

I'm waiting for when I don't see any NY plates running around the Villages.