[justjim]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Care to provide a source or some statistics to back that up? And then provide fatalities/number of golf carts or golf cart miles driven in TV as opposed to other communities. I would think there are many more fatalities in car accidents, and the golf cart fatalities almost always occur when the cart meets a car.

You are correct most of the golf cart fatalities in TV have occurred when golf cart meets car. It is also correct that in TV itself there have been more fatalities associated with golf carts than with cars. Total accidents in within TV would go to cars but most of the car accidents do not end up with a fatality. My source is a recent Club meeting and a Sumter County Deputy Sheriff’s presentation. As I recall, since the beginning of The Villages, twenty was the number of golf cart fatalities. BTW, safety belts were highly recommended for your golf cart.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by justjim

You are correct most of the golf cart fatalities in TV have occurred when golf cart meets car. It is also correct that in TV itself there have been more fatalities associated with golf carts than with cars. Total accidents in within TV would go to cars but most of the car accidents do not end up with a fatality. My source is a recent Club meeting and a Sumter County Deputy Sheriff’s presentation. As I recall, since the beginning of The Villages, twenty was the number of golf cart fatalities. BTW, safety belts were highly recommended for your golf cart.

I don't believe that either. There were two people killed on 466 in December, there was the crash on 44 just the other day, and there was the recent motorcycle crash. That makes four deaths in just six months. Could there possibly be fewer than 16 other deaths in the past 30 years?

Are you referring only to car accidents on roads with speed limits of 35mph or less and excluding accidents at intersections with roads having higher speed limits?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Wrong

And your evidence, Mr, Florida State Police Commissioner?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

And your evidence, Mr, Florida State Police Commissioner?

Posted about 6 or 8 sources from police departments and civil engineers on a similar thread about a month ago, I’m not going to do it again. However, just google “slow driving causing crashes “ and you can educate yourself

[CPD050]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

And your evidence, Mr, Florida State Police Commissioner?

Again I ask, is there even a Florida State Police?
Never heard of it and a google search can’t find one.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by justjim

You are correct most of the golf cart fatalities in TV have occurred when golf cart meets car. It is also correct that in TV itself there have been more fatalities associated with golf carts than with cars. Total accidents in within TV would go to cars but most of the car accidents do not end up with a fatality. My source is a recent Club meeting and a Sumter County Deputy Sheriff’s presentation. As I recall, since the beginning of The Villages, twenty was the number of golf cart fatalities. BTW, safety belts were highly recommended for your golf cart.

Jus from reading the news reports of cart fatalities........I don't remember any of the people were wearing safety belts. Not a guarantee...........but it doesn't hurt.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by CPD050

Again I ask, is there even a Florida State Police?
Never heard of it and a google search can’t find one.

probably won't get a reply sheldon.

[CPD050]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Posted about 6 or 8 sources from police departments and civil engineers on a similar thread about a month ago, I’m not going to do it again. However, just google “slow driving causing crashes “ and you can educate yourself

FYI the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration doesn’t even put slow driving as a contributing factor in any significant number of traffic accidents. Virtually unheard of by their numbers. The top reasons for accidents are Distracted driving (cell phones), speeding, DUI, lane usage and following to close. These are not in any particular order. Speeding DUI and no seat belt being leading contributors to fatal accidents.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by CPD050

FYI the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration doesn’t even put slow driving as a contributing factor in any significant number of traffic accidents. Virtually unheard of by their numbers. The top reasons for accidents are Distracted driving (cell phones), speeding, DUI, lane usage and following to close. These are not in any particular order. Speeding DUI and no seat belt being leading contributors to fatal accidents.

Technically, falling never hurt or killed anyone, it was the sudden stop at the end that caused the damage. Still, "falls" make it into the statistics.

A cow in the road doesn't cause an accident, it is the lane changing/lane usage that results in the accident.

Similarly, driving below the speed limit will likely never be entered into the statistics as the cause of the accident. What the slow vehicle does cause is unexpected behavior by those that try to avoid the obstructive driver. This lane change/lane usage activity *is* counted in the statistics.

[Woodbear]

Originally Posted by Laker14

do you know what violations they were citing?

Speeding?
Crossing the white line to pass?

They were on the cart path, I assumed a STOPtional sign violation. Not sure the cart could have gotten up to top speed

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I don't believe that either. There were two people killed on 466 in December, there was the crash on 44 just the other day, and there was the recent motorcycle crash. That makes four deaths in just six months. Could there possibly be fewer than 16 other deaths in the past 30 years?

Are you referring only to car accidents on roads with speed limits of 35mph or less and excluding accidents at intersections with roads having higher speed limits?

Roundabouts within The Villages are much safer than the County roads 466, 466A State Route 44, US routes 27/441, etc. and their intersections, Of course, golf carts are not legally allowed to travel on any of those roads. Excluding where golf carts are not allowed, cars are safer within those boundaries. The actual boundaries of The Villages is subjective at best. The roundabouts make a difference for cars and I believe safety belts make a difference in golf carts. That’s the point.

[Woodbear]

Originally Posted by Pondboy

Not sure this one photo supports your claim…..did you interview anyone to see what was up? Perhaps they were drinking and driving in the golf cart? If you were a police officer, would you look the other way towards that offense?

I for one would welcome some enforcement on the golf cart paths. Too often I see people drinking and driving, running stop signs and just being too daring in the operation of golf carts.

Anything is possible at 10 am

[Woodbear]

Originally Posted by VApeople

In my opinion, the speed traps are needed because we see a lot of cars exceeding the speed limit of 30 mph.

We go down there a lot because we like the MickeyLee golf course, the putting course, and the beautiful walking/biking trails in Lake Denham. A lot of cars and golf carts coming out of Citrus Grove seem to have a hard time pulling out onto Meggison because the traffic is so heavy and goes so fast.

A few weeks ago, I read that someone got t-boned pulling out of Citrus Grove.

With no roundabouts, Meggison is a straight run. As for the speed monitors, you get Leesburg/Lake on one end and Wildwood on the other

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Woodbear

With no roundabouts, Meggison is a straight run. As for the speed monitors, you get Lady Lake on one end and Wildwood on the other

Which would be true IF there weren't 8, count 'em 8 roundabouts between Brownwood and Citrus grove, as well as a traffic light at Warm springs Ave

[Normal]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Which would be true IF there weren't 8, count 'em 8 roundabouts between Brownwood and Citrus grove, as well as a traffic light at Warm springs Ave

Can both of you be somewhat correct? There are roundabouts between 44 and Sawgrass, but none exist after Sawgrass for the next several miles up to 470. The Wildwood and Sumter county police can only patrol up to the Homestead recreation center. The Leesburg and Lake county police can patrol the other half.