[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

I prefer reading history, not being part of it. When humans act like humans in the worst ways possible there is no solution. You say WWIII has started, I say we are entering a new dark age.

We have been in it since 9/11.

The enemy just transforms every once in a while. Right now it is fear and stupidity.

[skip0358]

If anyone is interested there is a Blood Drive tomorrow at Fire Station #44 on Morse Blvd S/O Rt. 466A. from 9 to 4. If you'd care to help out in some way.Blood is still needed.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Set aside fully automatic rifles... Do you know for a fact that the state of Florida (among others) allows the sale of assault rifles? And that they also allow the sale of the larger magazines? And that assault rifles that cannot accept the larger magazines can be easily adapted to do so?

No. Florida doesn't allow for the sale of assault rifles, except in very limited cases and subject to an onerous and expensive licensing process. What you mean is Florida allows for the sale of black scary looking rifles that LOOK like assault rifles. Remove the pistol grip, install a wood stock, remove the rails, and you have a lower powered hunting rifle.

[goldseekur]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

Hitler banned guns 13 million dead, Stalin banned guns 20 million dead, Cambodia banned guns 1 million intellectuals dead, China banned guns 50 million dead

The absence of guns does nothing but guarantee easy undefended victims.

If there were more armed citizens inside the club, there might have been less carnage

We must realize that WWIII has started.

No one is calling for the COMPLETE banning of guns in the US, just banning semi & automatic rifles. These types of guns do NOT belong in main stream America or any other country for civilians to purchase.

Not to make light of the tragedy in Orlando or any of the other mass shootings that have happened in the US, but if these people had only guns that did not shoot 45 - 60 rounds in a minute for semi automatic and up to 1000 rounds per minute for automatic weapons, the outcomes would be completely different.

[kstew43]

Originally Posted by VApeople

Unfortunately, many people consider the "crazies" to be anyone who disagrees with their point of view.

so true...

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by goldseekur

No one is calling for the COMPLETE banning of guns in the US, just banning semi & automatic rifles. These types of guns do NOT belong in main stream America or any other country for civilians to purchase.



Not to make light of the tragedy in Orlando or any of the other mass shootings that have happened in the US, but if these people had only guns that did not shoot 45 - 60 rounds in a minute for semi automatic and up to 1000 rounds per minute for automatic weapons, the outcomes would be completely different.

First, automatic weapons are not generally available in the US. To obtain one a very special, very expensive license is required. The weapon itself would probably cost another $20-25K. I know only of one person who owns one. He is a collector of military memorabilia. And because of his past, brilliant military career, I am not losing any sleep over his weapon ownership.

Second, I have a semi-automatic shotgun that I used for skeet & trap shooting. I doubt any LEO would consider me a major threat for owning it.

More of the information in the post is also challengeable, but all I'm going to do is make that notation.

I will also note that I feel safer in TV knowing that there are so many former LEOs and military who carry all the time.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by blueash

This was terrorism inspired by the particular sect of Islam he adhered to, inspired by hatred of LGBT that is also shared by fundamentalists in other faiths. With multiple targets available including US government targets as he apparently was employed by a security agency, he went out of his way, left his community to find an LGBT target. So yes, this was fundamentalist terrorism, but the target was one that has also been targeted by far too many other faiths and even politicians. My opinion, the response to this type of attempt to terrorize us is to refuse to be terrorized, to continue our lives, to not be afraid to go to movies or travel or go to gay clubs.

For a story on a slaughter at a gay institution and our churches' response, for the sake of historical accuracy..
Gay Weddings and 32 Funerals: Remembering the UpStairs Lounge Fire Our mainline institutions do not have clean hands. None of that of course excuses or justifies this slaughter. As our country liberalizes, hopefully the hate so tolerated just a few years ago is being shoved into the closet.

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[dbussone]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Both of our grandchildren are employed by the media and both of them are responsible journalists. But situations occur that dead time must be filled.

Life is never black and white...at least that is how it looks to me as I get older. I liked it when I KNEW what was WRONG. Actually, the older I get I find fewer absolutes and many, many, many questions..

"Life is never black and white." So very true. Unfortunately, Gracie, many have to make things black and white because they have difficulty dealing with the complexities of situations which are not black and white.

"If only...(fill in the words)"...seldom provides a true solution to any issue or problem.

[Walt.]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

I wondered who would be the first to cry about that. Only the criminals and terrorists will have these guns if banned; is that what YOU really want?

I'm just surprised it took almost an hour or two for the anti-gun folks to start the blame shifting.
On our local Fox station yesterday someone went on about the shooter being on the FBI's "Watch List" twice and stated he wasn't on it at this time. Then they went to a clip of Marco Rubio and the first question they asked was "How do you feel when someone that was on the watch list could so easily buy guns?"
When the dust settles this will be "proof" that America needs to address it's anti-gay sentiment and it's pro-gun mentality. Oh yeah, the problem is "rhetoric from the presidential campaign." It's everything but what it really is.

[Allegiance]

The big point in my opinion is: law enforcement only has a finite amount of monies for surveillance and investigation. If they have to spend X dollars to vet newly arriving Muslims then there is less for domestic threats like the Orlando guy. That guy should have absolutely been the target of a sting operation. He should have been locked up long ago.

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[outlaw]

Originally Posted by goldseekur

No one is calling for the COMPLETE banning of guns in the US, just banning semi & automatic rifles. These types of guns do NOT belong in main stream America or any other country for civilians to purchase.

Not to make light of the tragedy in Orlando or any of the other mass shootings that have happened in the US, but if these people had only guns that did not shoot 45 - 60 rounds in a minute for semi automatic and up to 1000 rounds per minute for automatic weapons, the outcomes would be completely different.

2012 crime stats: murders committed with all firearms: 8,855
murders committed with rifles (all types): 322 (4 killed by AR-15)
Slate estimated AR-15 ownership: 3,750,000

So you see. Banning AR-15s will do little to save lives. Banning ALL rifles will do little to save lives. What you want is to START with banning rifles. Then, when the gun murders do not go down, you will say we need to ban all handguns. NRA and its members know exactly what you want in the end. You want to ban and confiscate ALL firearms.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Walt.

I'm just surprised it took almost an hour or two for the anti-gun folks to start the blame shifting.
On our local Fox station yesterday someone went on about the shooter being on the FBI's "Watch List" twice and stated he wasn't on it at this time. Then they went to a clip of Marco Rubio and the first question they asked was "How do you feel when someone that was on the watch list could so easily buy guns?"
When the dust settles this will be "proof" that America needs to address it's anti-gay sentiment and it's pro-gun mentality. Oh yeah, the problem is "rhetoric from the presidential campaign." It's everything but what it really is.

Uh. Latest news is the shooter was gay. Looking more like he just started shooting up his cohorts like the San Bernardino couple. So maybe no hate crime.

[Cathy H]

Originally Posted by dbussone

First, automatic weapons are not generally available in the US. To obtain one a very special, very expensive license is required. The weapon itself would probably cost another $20-25K. I know only of one person who owns one. He is a collector of military memorabilia. And because of his past, brilliant military career, I am not losing any sleep over his weapon ownership.

Second, I have a semi-automatic shotgun that I used for skeet & trap shooting. I doubt any LEO would consider me a major threat for owning it.

More of the information in the post is also challengeable, but all I'm going to do is make that notation.

I will also note that I feel safer in TV knowing that there are so many former LEOs and military who carry all the time.

though not "automatic" the ar 15 rifle used in Orlando Sunday fires rapidly one shot at a time with a 30 bullet attachment. very murderous and should not be for sale to anyone.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

though not "automatic" the ar 15 rifle used in Orlando Sunday fires rapidly one shot at a time with a 30 bullet attachment. very murderous and should not be for sale to anyone.

You just described virtually every modern rifle and handgun. The only difference is the number rounds. I have a pistol that can hold 30 rounds. I know of shooters that can pull the trigger and fire rounds as fast or faster than a person can fire a fully automatic weapon/machine gun. Your criteria would essentially ban 95% of all firearms in the US.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

though not "automatic" the ar 15 rifle used in Orlando Sunday fires rapidly one shot at a time with a 30 bullet attachment. very murderous and should not be for sale to anyone.

Well, we shall agree to disagree. It is your constitutional right not to own one. It is my constitutional right to purchase one if I wish, assuming I qualify to do so. And I do.



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