[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Monkei

The terms may have been wrong and I am sorry about that but you know entirely what my point was, don't hide behind the terms as an excuse. The basic fact is weapons will continue to evolve and improve on their basic purpose, kill people. 20 years from now I would hate to see them in the publics hands. The time to setup their ban is now not down the road when we will be having the same arguments albeit with more mass killings.

Very True. Wait till technology comes up with a portable Nuclear WarHead. Every Billy Bubba and Macho Mike will simply have to have a few dozen to protect themselves. More and more everyday so many allow paranoia to creep into their lives. That is producing more guns and militia groups. Rather than work on a solution we build higher walls, bigger guns and take a look at the doomsday preppers. So don't be fooled by anyone that tells you that setting limits on weapons sold to the general public is a slippery slope because nothing could be more slippery than the view presented by the NRA.

[PennBF]

It is rather simple..The Constitution allows for citizens to own guns/firearms. Does anyone in this world really believe that taking guns from normal citizens will decrease crime. As the kid said in Home Alone "I don't think so". Does anyone believe that if a criminal or for that fact a "nut" would not be able to get a gun if they wanted one. I don't think so..I do not own a gun or as as one writer said, I am not a member of the NRA but I do believe in the Constitution. I also believe that if a criminal wanted a gun he/she would get one and the victim is at their mercy. The ex Gov. of Minnesota had a sign over the entrance to his ranch the said, '"We don't call 911". Pretty clear no one wanted to mess with that ranch. Why did our founders put that in the Constitution? Why not concentrate on that? Mayb the answer is to really be hard on those that use a gun in the execution of a crime. Make it mandatory for Judges to hand out tough sentences. Make the consequences for using a gun so harsh that ones that do will not be back in society for a very long time and then with tight restrictions. No exceptions!! Why should the "good guy" be punished because of the "bad guy" Why should the "good guy be exposed to the "bad guy" and not have protections? I totally argee with the NRA even though I don't belong.

[mulligan]

The big problem I see with putting more "bad guys" in jail is who's going to pay for it?

[ugotme]

Originally Posted by mulligan

The big problem I see with putting more "bad guys" in jail is who's going to pay for it?

We are all paying for it now.

Don't pretend to truly know this - never been in jail - but why cable TV in jail? Why Gyms and other such amenities?
Why do we coddle some convicts under the guise that they can/will be rehabilitated?
As I stated in another post why does "25 to Life" really mean out in 10 years or so? With most of these "people" we will pay for it one way or another.

No, I am not talking about the kid caught with a joint. I am referring to the murderers, two and three time losers who will only get out and commit more crimes.

sorry - you are a criminal and should be treated as such !

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by ugotme

We are all paying for it now.

Don't pretend to truly know this - never been in jail - but why cable TV in jail? Why Gyms and other such amenities?
Why do we coddle some convicts under the guise that they can/will be rehabilitated?
As I stated in another post why does "25 to Life" really mean out in 10 years or so? With most of these "people" we will pay for it one way or another.

No, I am not talking about the kid caught with a joint. I am referring to the murderers, two and three time losers who will only get out and commit more crimes.

sorry - you are a criminal and should be treated as such !

Good point and the perfect time to use the Webster NY shooting as an example! That shooter was an ex-con who was released after serving only 17 years for killing his grandmother with a hammer! HELLO - 17 years! To me this sounds like a person who should NEVER be set free to walk the streets! You are asking, and probably should expect, what happened in NY, or worse, to happen sooner or later! He was a felon and could not own a gun legally but he sure had an arsenal. The point I'm making is our justice system is flawed. Instead of attacking the NRA, maybe we should go after the ACLU! If guns are banned it will mean nothing to these criminals intent on harm! They will get their guns illegally and I do not want to be left defenseless without mine!

[PennBF]

A few years back an Island in the Caribben set up a system where prisons
were erected in the center of town. If a person was picked up for a crime
they went into the prison and had an immediate trial. If not guilty they were released if guilty they stayed and the people going by the prison could see them. THere were no delays, no hiding behind bars and walls but in full view
of the citizens if guilty. Crime dropped to nil. Justice and consequences were quick, no paroles. Compare that to bail, parole, delayed justice. As they say
justice delayed is justice denied.

[mulligan]

I believe you can thank the ACLU for the idea that anything less than ALL the creature comforts constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. Methinks they should go back to the hard labor system. Spend 5 or 10 years making little rocks out of big ones, and recidivism will disappear.

[Serenoa]

Originally Posted by mulligan

The big problem I see with putting more "bad guys" in jail is who's going to pay for it?

I'm sure the NRA would jump at the chance to help pay.

They're such a caring, benevolent group of folks.

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