[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I think anyone who has hatred to the extent that they feel like killing people in cold blood is mentally ill.
Hate and anger, or mentally ill - it doesn't really matter.
It's a sick, evil person who thinks it's their right to kill innocent people.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pinochet, Suharto, Pol Pot, Nero, the 1915 Armenian Genocide by the Turks, and a host of others from ancient to modern times come to mind.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I respectfully disagree.
I think anyone who has hatred to the extent that they feel like killing people in cold blood is mentally ill.
Hate and anger, or mentally ill - it doesn't really matter.
It's a sick, evil person who thinks it's their right to kill innocent people.
It somehow makes it worse when the evil person kills children.

And their own sister as in the case of the latest shooting. I also think people can be indoctrinated... to a degree. Look at cult behavior, for example. When it is presented that the behavior is a norm, or even expected (by God etc) I find some people are more easy to lead than others.

[manaboutown]

Alleged Twitter posts by the Dayton shooter. This was his mindset. Twitter Account Allegedly Linked to Ohio Shooter Retweeted Doxxing of ICE Employees | Breitbart

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I don't believe there is one cause, but a lot of reasons. I believe the desire for peer approval, the desire to be remembered, a desire for power over people, lots of reasons - among them hate.

All excellent points.

[manaboutown]

They are/were both crazy zealots just from from opposite corners of the intersection.

[Bucco]

Oh, and also for those who are defending whatever they are defending and not thinking accountability....read this toda, and words do matter...

No other way to bring this home:

Picture your dearest loved one — your husband, wife, parent, child.

Now picture a police officer knocking on YOUR door and saying you will never, EVER see them again due to a mass shooter with a gun.

This national emergency is not theoretical.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh, and also for those who are defending whatever they are defending and not thinking accountability....read this toda, and words do matter...

No other way to bring this home:

Picture your dearest loved one — your husband, wife, parent, child.

Now picture a police officer knocking on YOUR door and saying you will never, EVER see them again due to a mass shooter with a gun.

This national emergency is not theoretical.

My brother-in-law was a very nice man until his world got turned around by the loss of his mentor in India. He came back to the US and began to unravel. Slowly. He started eating just hot dogs and bought two semi-automatic pistols to which he became very attached. Not known at the time he also thought that pod people had taken over my brother and his wife.

My brother had allowed him to stay in his house up until the point that he would not get rid of the two pistols. He got kicked out and eventually killed himself a few years later.

He hid his mental illness extremely well keeping diaries that the VA police found after he committed suicide. Many people probably hide their internal problems well.

[Northwoods]

Do you know what scares me? The fact that this can happen anywhere. It used to be that you would avoid certain parts of town... or bars, because you didn't feel they were "safe". You knew where to walk, or shop or play because the neighborhood was "safe." Now... nothing is safe. A mass shooting could happen at our Walmart... or McDonald's... or Disney Springs.
I find that incredibly unsettling.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

Do you know what scares me? The fact that this can happen anywhere. It used to be that you would avoid certain parts of town... or bars, because you didn't feel they were "safe". You knew where to walk, or shop or play because the neighborhood was "safe." Now... nothing is safe. A mass shooting could happen at our Walmart... or McDonald's... or Disney Springs.
I find that incredibly unsettling.

Yes, it's scary. The leader of the US senate started an ad today showing his opponents tombstone. We are told legislation is coming relative to the fear, but will be tied to other political items.

Has anyone recently tried to pull this country together. Has anyone broached the subject that we are ALL Americans and scared. We have heard this same stuff about "we are going to..." and thus far, nothing happened so why believe it now.

There was an executive order that tried to deny guns from certain folks with mental problems , up it was overturned by another exec order.

It's a scary thing, and those who simply make it political are cruel human beings....we are one country.

Sorry for seemingly becoming political, but I am hurting right now, and cannot understand those who do not see the hate around now, and seemingly nobody to console the country or bring us together. These are horrible things that did not need to happen, should not have happened, and I think would have been prevented if this country would stop the accusations, the lies the crass language. First reaction publicly was to blame the media....that is tough to swallow fir me, and you can delete my post, complain to the mods all you want. I fought for, worked for and love this country. I am proud also, but the world is wondering what we are doing.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

My brother-in-law was a very nice man until his world got turned around by the loss of his mentor in India. He came back to the US and began to unravel. Slowly. He started eating just hot dogs and bought two semi-automatic pistols which he became very attached. Not known at the time he also thought that pod people had taken over my brother and his wife.

My brother had allowed him to stay in his house up until the point that he would not get rid of the two pistols. He got kicked out and eventually killed himself a few years later.

He hid his mental illness extremely well keeping diaries that the VA police found after he committed suicide. Many people probably hide their internal problems well.

Tal, there are not words to console your grief even after the passing of time. Be strong

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

Do you know what scares me? The fact that this can happen anywhere. It used to be that you would avoid certain parts of town... or bars, because you didn't feel they were "safe". You knew where to walk, or shop or play because the neighborhood was "safe." Now... nothing is safe. A mass shooting could happen at our Walmart... or McDonald's... or Disney Springs.
I find that incredibly unsettling.

You are honest. Anyone who is not scared or concerned should be. That is not to crumble into a corner and stop living, but we are witnessing such hate from a known group of extremists, and they get support

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Yes, it's scary. The leader of the US senate started an ad today showing his opponents tombstone. We are told legislation is coming relative to the fear, but will be tied to other political items.

Has anyone recently tried to pull this country together. Has anyone broached the subject that we are ALL Americans and scared. We have heard this same stuff about "we are going to..." and thus far, nothing happened so why believe it now.

There was an executive order that tried to deny guns from certain folks with mental problems , up it was overturned by another exec order.

It's a scary thing, and those who simply make it political are cruel human beings....we are one country.

Sorry for seemingly becoming political, but I am hurting right now, and cannot understand those who do not see the hate around now, and seemingly nobody to console the country or bring us together. These are horrible things that did not need to happen, should not have happened, and I think would have been prevented if this country would stop the accusations, the lies the crass language. First reaction publicly was to blame the media....that is tough to swallow fir me, and you can delete my post, complain to the mods all you want. I fought for, worked for and love this country. I am proud also, but the world is wondering what we are doing.

“Divide et impera,” Julius Cesar

[Velvet]

Tal, it shows strength that you could share this story. I have married into mental illness myself, and while everything seems charming and “cool” under the surface I was paddling as fast as a duck.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Yes, it's scary. The leader of the US senate started an ad today showing his opponents tombstone. We are told legislation is coming relative to the fear, but will be tied to other political items.

Has anyone recently tried to pull this country together. Has anyone broached the subject that we are ALL Americans and scared. We have heard this same stuff about "we are going to..." and thus far, nothing happened so why believe it now.

There was an executive order that tried to deny guns from certain folks with mental problems , up it was overturned by another exec order.

It's a scary thing, and those who simply make it political are cruel human beings....we are one country.

Sorry for seemingly becoming political, but I am hurting right now, and cannot understand those who do not see the hate around now, and seemingly nobody to console the country or bring us together. These are horrible things that did not need to happen, should not have happened, and I think would have been prevented if this country would stop the accusations, the lies the crass language. First reaction publicly was to blame the media....that is tough to swallow fir me, and you can delete my post, complain to the mods all you want. I fought for, worked for and love this country. I am proud also, but the world is wondering what we are doing.

You are not alone. And I agree, "they" will not fix this, only we the people can.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Velvet

“Divide et impera,” Julius Cesar

And the true Latin translation fits. Not the meaning given in general, but the true philosophy.

Are we saying goodbye to "E Pluribus Unum"